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DIRT_TRACKER123
07-07-2008, 05:53 PM
I am just curious...if a driver runs over someone and they are drunk or high can they be charged with DUIor something to that extent? Sooner or later it will happen with drivers getting into cars drunk/high. I realize that many people would not be able to race if they werer tested but hey it could turn into a good thing and save someones life. Maybe do randoms for some of the drivers...I know money means more to the track then safety but somethings are getting out of hand...
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drtfan
07-07-2008, 05:57 PM
:icon_agreed: Thank you so much. I'm glad someone finally addressed this issue!

L8models
07-07-2008, 07:13 PM
I am just curious...if a driver runs over someone and they are drunk or high can they be charged with DUIor something to that extent? Sooner or later it will happen with drivers getting into cars drunk/high. I realize that many people would not be able to race if they werer tested but hey it could turn into a good thing and save someones life. Maybe do randoms for some of the drivers...I know money means more to the track then safety but somethings are getting out of hand...
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I would think since a race track is privately owned, no NC state motor vehicle laws can be enforced, the track has the soul authority to handle drinking and driving race cars or being under the influence. Now, the drugs are a different story, the deputy sheriff can charge them with possession of scheduled substance, etc...if they have probable cause to search the drivers property at the track and locate anything. Can't charge them with being high at the race track. If I'm wrong, someone please correct me.

Racerchaser
07-07-2008, 07:40 PM
Jerry;
I would say that if they have probable cause, I would think they have arrest authority if nothing else intoxicated in public or under the influence of a controlled substance and go from there. we all know it can get worse from there. But here again once he got out of the track, was it out of the track control, (I don't know about that part). I know up here if the state police would see anything like that, you would spend the night at what we call the BRICK HOTEL (jail).



JMT

L8models
07-07-2008, 07:48 PM
Jerry;
I would say that if they have probable cause, I would think they have arrest authority if nothing else intoxicated in public or under the influence of a controlled substance and go from there. we all know it can get worse from there. But here again once he got out of the track, was it out of the track control, (I don't know about that part). I know up here if the state police would see anything like that, you would spend the night at what we call the BRICK HOTEL (jail).



JMT


Good point, didn't even think about that scenario.

DRJ
07-07-2008, 08:36 PM
I think there are times when some tracks turn their heads and don't want to see....they want the almighty $. Eventually, someone will get injured from the result of driving under the influence of alcohol or drugs.....it could be my family or your family that gets seriously hurt or killed. In their minds, they are thinking that nothing like this could ever happen to them.....I know about this first hand back from my sinful days, but I can tell you...IT WILL HAPPEN!
I think the tracks need to start opening their eyes before something happens, it would be easier than explaining why someone has been injured/killed on their property. JMO

barbecueboy
07-07-2008, 08:42 PM
Not So Sure At All That The Owm Hero Doing Donuts In The Pits After The Race Hadent Had 1 Or 10 Two Many...before His Race...might Explain His Terrible Driving During The Race...not Going To Mention His Name Or Number Cause He Knows Who He Is...all I Will Say Is That He Is Very Lucky That The Group He Was F...ing With After The Race Showed Great Restraint In Not Escorting Him From The Facilities ...might Not Be A Bad Idea For The Law To Stick Around A Little While Longer While Folks Are Loading Up There Stuff,they Will Be Called Back If Things Get Crazy Anyway....normally After The Race Is When Stupid People Get Even Stupider...as Witnessed This Weekend...

L8models
07-07-2008, 08:43 PM
IMO, If you get out there on that race track or drive that car through the pits under the influence of alcohol/drugs, and hit someone, they should charge you with attempted murder and throw your ass in jail without bond.

straight8
07-07-2008, 08:48 PM
Track owners and promoters need to realize that they can be sued by an injured party if their injuries are the result of someone being on the track under the influence of anything. Know this for a fact. So if they care much about their money, house, racetrack and so on they need to start monitoring the drivers in the pits. Could save everbody a lot of heartache.

barbecueboy
07-07-2008, 08:59 PM
A Good Attorney Would Have A Field Day With That One!!!the Track Will Also Be Involved If It Ever Came Down To It....the Look The Other Way Policy Just Doesnt Cut It Anymore...most Of The Drivers I Know Or Have Met Have Too Much Respect For The Sport,the Fans And Each Other To Drive A Race Car Drunk...then There Are The Ones Who Have To Drink Up The Liquid Courage To Crawl Behind The Wheel And Make Up For There Driving Inabilities...on The Road Or On The Track,you Hurt Somebody Driving Drunk And The Rest Of Your Life Is Planned For You...jmo....the Venues That Put On These Events Know For The Most Part Who Is Doing What...

Switchback29A1
07-07-2008, 09:26 PM
yaull are exactly right!

Lightin
07-07-2008, 09:55 PM
didnt travis hair get arrested for drinkin and then racin a few years bac a dublin????

Wilder4Racin
07-07-2008, 10:27 PM
by no means, dont think this is the ONLY track that has this issue... just someone now cares to speak up

barbecueboy
07-07-2008, 11:40 PM
always takes something like this to get people to talking about it though....your right, every venue has issues,some worse than others...lets see if every body does the smart thing and learns from it and take it a little more serious when it comes to enforcement.

Californiakid5
07-08-2008, 12:34 AM
DUI and HIT AND RUN could be Attempted man slaughter times 2

DIRT_TRACKER123
07-08-2008, 07:30 AM
Well state laws may not affect the laws as far as that goes but it would be nice if the track decided to do a few randoms and if they failed, they don't get money. This could cause the following:
1. They could get help for there problem.
2.They race for no money-a time of two of this and drivers will be out of cars

If somethings doesn't change, somebody out there will end up killing someone and it may cause them to never get in a car again.

I handle d.tests at my job and they price for an onsite d.test is rather cheap.
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DOCCALLAHAN
07-08-2008, 07:41 AM
imo anybody that would get behind the wheel of a race car under the influence is very stupid i know that substances will give you b***s but also stupidity and poor judgement i just think that some randoms wouldnt be a bad idea and easy to give breathlizer before drivers race it has happened before at 311 i have seen cops give breath test befors drivers went out

barbecueboy
07-08-2008, 08:45 AM
i dont know if random anything is the answer or even if its feesable for the track to consider,but the presence of authority in and around the pits is a good deterent for alot of that sort of stuff and the track can take a more active approach themselves to curtail anything like this....heck they can purchase a portable breathalyzer themselves and use it randomly or when they think they have cause...just knowing something like that is at the track and will be used could be a good deterent...but as stated before,most tracks know who is doing it and looking the other way dont cut it anymore...jmo...and by the way you can buy a simple breathalyzer kit pretty cheap all things considered

drtfan
07-08-2008, 09:02 AM
I just think that it's poor judgement by the track to allow drivers out on that track who are "under the influence". I do agree that if someone is caught drinking before a race.. no racing.. or banned from the track for a little while..

bleweyez19
07-08-2008, 09:04 AM
I'm all for the breathalyzer thing...to be honest i don't see how anyone could drive race car drunk.

DIRT_TRACKER123
07-08-2008, 09:16 AM
Just look at this past weekend-u will see what happens when people drive race cars drunk.
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jog49
07-08-2008, 10:32 AM
Lots of "he said, she said" from the commenters here. Name some names. Who was driving at FMS this past Saturday under the influence (of anything)? I'm reasonably
sure that if there IS a problem, it will NOT get fixed unless drivers are named.

JRhodes
07-08-2008, 10:45 AM
[QUOTE=L8models;147154]I would think since a race track is privately owned, no NC state motor vehicle laws can be enforced, the track has the soul authority to handle drinking and driving race cars or being under the influence. /QUOTE]

Actually Jerry, I think they might could. If there is an tragic accident at a race track(God forbid), there is always an investigation by state police. If they have a jurisdiction over the county, there's a probablity that they could do something about it. It's something worth looking into though. I will see if I can get up with a friend of mine and see what he can tell me later on today.

JRhodes
07-08-2008, 10:47 AM
to be honest i don't see how anyone could drive race car drunk.


It's been done all too often AJ. And under the influence of illegal substances as well.

bleweyez19
07-08-2008, 11:28 AM
It's been done all too often AJ. And under the influence of illegal substances as well.


I'm sure it is done all the time, i just don't see how they function out there...there is know way in **** i could drive a race car with all the stuff that goes on and everything happenin so fast you have to have good reactions to situations and drugs and alcohol only slow down you functions and reaction times. I couldn't do it. Now after the race is over and i get back home and take a shower and sit down on the couch i don't mind winding down with a nice cold bud light!But not when i have to race.

JRhodes
07-08-2008, 12:37 PM
I don't see how they do it either. I had a hard enough time getting my head back straight after I hit a guy on a bicycle one night coming home from the track. I was straight as an arrow, he was impaired two ways. I still have nightmares about that. Now I couldn't imagine if it were my fault that I hit someone b/c I was drunk or impaired.

DIRT_TRACKER123
07-08-2008, 05:31 PM
Talked to a sc patrol man and he said that in sc they can get u for dui just sitting in ur drive way as long as ur in a motorized vehicle_ race cars included. It doesn't matter about private property,etc.

I'm not sure if the laws are different in NC or not.
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JRhodes
07-08-2008, 05:40 PM
Talked to a sc patrol man and he said that in sc they can get u for dui just sitting in ur drive way as long as ur in a motorized vehicle_ race cars included. It doesn't matter about private property,etc.

I'm not sure if the laws are different in NC or not.
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From the NC Trooper I spoke with, it's the same way here. In a motorized vehicle under the influence, State Police have the authority to lock your butt up.

barbecueboy
07-08-2008, 10:41 PM
Lots of "he said, she said" from the commenters here. Name some names. Who was driving at FMS this past Saturday under the influence (of anything)? I'm reasonably
sure that if there IS a problem, it will NOT get fixed unless drivers are named.
jog agree with you but it is the tracks responsibility to police the affairs going on at there facility,not the fans ,drivers posters etc.The tracks know who is doing what for the most part...put something in place as a deterent and alot of the problems will get solved...i dont think its too widespread because most racers are stand up folks with a huge set of ba***and then there are the idiots who drink the courage up to go racing because they think it hides there driving INABILITY in a race car...IVE SAID IT BEFORE...a few officials wandering through the pits talking to teams randomly during the race could be a good thing.while discussing saftey,rules ,program schedules etc...them just being a little more visable could help ...tracks responsibility in the end though(actually its the idiots that drink before a races responsibility to be in control of his own actions,but after that it all falls on the tracks shoulders for conduct at there facility

JRhodes
07-09-2008, 07:22 AM
If this were my track, the person responsible for all the madness last weekend, would not even be allowed on track grounds again. LIFETIME BANISHMENT!!!!!!!!