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[Brett]

I'd really like for someone to explain to me how Buddy Jr. finished 6th? From what I was told 2 attempts at Green white checkered, and thats it. Shows over. Since they had two wrecks on the gwc even though Jr was in the 2nd one, he should have won. I may be wrong on the rules if so correct me, no problem. There were more then 5 other cars running, and though 6th is alot better then last, if you ask me Buddy should have been 1st, or behind the last car running. How he got 6th has blown my mind. I'd really like for someone to clear it up. Plus, they never threw the yellow or checkered, just sent everyone in. We were told they didn't know what the outcome was, they'd let us know, so I don't understand how the results ended like they did.

[fatman22]

He got the SHAFT!!

[dirtjunkie]

Isles jr is the one who caused it he spun by him self that is why he was placed 6th, im sure if he was spun by howard or someone else he would have got the win, i would have liked to see him win it rather than howard but he just lost it.

[Brett]

I understand he wrecked, just not how he finished 6th when he never crossed the line. Don't get me wrong, I'm glad he got 6th and not last, just seems weird that they gave him 6th.

[dirtjunkie]

i dont know y they gave him 6th that whole race was a mess only 2 completed laps.

[Brett]

Yeah I know, I would have liked to see it go green for awhile, Jr was FLYING! in the heats Sat night, I was hoping to see him, the 7 & the 2-#1s battle it out, but I think Jr was the fastest by far (but my opinion is Bias so). Even though we had to get a hotel room and stay overnight, overall I had a blast til he wrecked, but I was around alot of good people. The Isles, the Wrights, couple of the Reed clan, J.C, the Mitchells, got a chance see some familiar faces and talk to Jerry Ingram, Dan Breuer(sp) Jeff Smith clan(got a free T, thanks Darrell) and even good ole John Fencesucker walking around(can't get away from him not matter where I go). Anyway, my first trip to FMS, weather & wreck aside I'd say it was around a 7 out of 10. Track was bad rough, but everyone races on the same track so no need to complain.

[CHansen]

This is the same situation that happend at Dublin a couple of months ago................ After this happend at Dublin, they changed their rule on the green, white, chekered re-starts...................Becaue it was a travisty to see the 6th place car win the feature.

I was not there to see what happend, but from what I understand it was pretty much the same deal.

If there is a caution on the second attempt on the Green White Checkered they are suppose to RESORT back to the last lap scored.................. THERE ARE NO PROVISIONS IN THE RULE STATING THE CARS IN THE CAUTION WILL BE SCORED LAST ON THE LEAD LAP....................... Thus even though the 11 caused the caution, he should have been credited with the win....................... Not that I think it is right, it is just how this stupid rule is written...............

FMS got this idea from NASCAR............The problem is no local dirt track in eastern NC has transponders to freeze the field at the time of the caution like Nascar does........... Nascar has one attempt at a green with checker, but if there is another caution they freeze the field at the time of the caution and credit the cars where they are running at THE TIME OF THE CAUTION...............NOT THE LAST SCORED LAP..........and with out transponders this would be impossible.................

They need to go back to the way it has been for a 100 years............Race back on the white flag, and score them how they cross the start finsih for the checkers.......... You can still give one attempt at a green, white, checkerd, and if that dont work, do what we do at Clary's, the last re-start you start with the GREEN AND WHITE displayed together, thus forcing the race to finish with a one lap shoot out.......

[L8models]

Yeah I know, I would have liked to see it go green for awhile, Jr was FLYING! in the heats Sat night, I was hoping to see him, the 7 & the 2-#1s battle it out, but I think Jr was the fastest by far (but my opinion is Bias so). Even though we had to get a hotel room and stay overnight, overall I had a blast til he wrecked, but I was around alot of good people. The Isles, the Wrights, couple of the Reed clan, J.C, the Mitchells, got a chance see some familiar faces and talk to Jerry Ingram, Dan Breuer(sp) Jeff Smith clan(got a free T, thanks Darrell) and even good ole John Fencesucker walking around(can't get away from him not matter where I go). Anyway, my first trip to FMS, weather & wreck aside I'd say it was around a 7 out of 10. Track was bad rough, but everyone races on the same track so no need to complain.

It was good seeing you again Brett.

[Littleton]

that was the worst track that i have ever seen! Buddy jr should have gotten 1st. He would not have washed up if there were not so many holes on the track .I've seen corn fields look better than this

[Brett]

This is the same situation that happend at Dublin a couple of months ago................ After this happend at Dublin, they changed their rule on the green, white, chekered re-starts...................Becaue it was a travisty to see the 6th place car win the feature.

I was not there to see what happend, but from what I understand it was pretty much the same deal.

If there is a caution on the second attempt on the Green White Checkered they are suppose to RESORT back to the last lap scored.................. THERE ARE NO PROVISIONS IN THE RULE STATING THE CARS IN THE CAUTION WILL BE SCORED LAST ON THE LEAD LAP....................... Thus even though the 11 caused the caution, he should have been credited with the win....................... Not that I think it is right, it is just how this stupid rule is written...............

FMS got this idea from NASCAR............The problem is no local dirt track in eastern NC has transponders to freeze the field at the time of the caution like Nascar does........... Nascar has one attempt at a green with checker, but if there is another caution they freeze the field at the time of the caution and credit the cars where they are running at THE TIME OF THE CAUTION...............NOT THE LAST SCORED LAP..........and with out transponders this would be impossible.................

They need to go back to the way it has been for a 100 years............Race back on the white flag, and score them how they cross the start finsih for the checkers.......... You can still give one attempt at a green, white, checkerd, and if that dont work, do what we do at Clary's, the last re-start you start with the GREEN AND WHITE displayed together, thus forcing the race to finish with a one lap shoot out.......

Thats what we were thinking, who ended up as the winner?

[Californiakid5]

what i herd was Jr spun out and 1H caught the nose of him causing 1H to blow a tire and he crossed the line first but good run by Buddy,Taco,and Glenn for gettin 101

[CHansen]

Thats what we were thinking, who ended up as the winner?

Well you were thinking right.............. Like I said, I dont think it is RIGHT, but the way rule is written, BUDDY should have been the winner.:wings_rofl:

[Californiakid5]

he was moving saturday night man and really sunday until that happend

[jhofficial]

Well you were thinking right.............. Like I said, I dont think it is RIGHT, but the way rule is written, BUDDY should have been the winner.:wings_rofl:

I dont interpret it that way!!!

http://www.fayettevillemotorspeedway.net/rules.html

3. Any car causing a caution will go the rear of the field. Races will be stopped for safety reasons only. After a caution, cars will line up according to the last completed, scored lap. The field will be given two laps after the caution to assume the correct lineup.

Now dont get me wrong I dont have a clue what they did and we all know if there was a way I thought Buddy Jr should or could have won I would be screaming from the top of every computer I could find. :smiley_595:

But the main thing is I was there and after stopping in Smithfield and shopping, then stopping in Kenly to eat it is now 11pm and after checking lrc I still dont know who won:blue15:

[CHansen]

I dont interpret it that way!!!

http://www.fayettevillemotorspeedway.net/rules.html

3. Any car causing a caution will go the rear of the field. Races will be stopped for safety reasons only. After a caution, cars will line up according to the last completed, scored lap. The field will be given two laps after the caution to assume the correct lineup.

Now dont get me wrong I dont have a clue what they did and we all know if there was a way I thought Buddy Jr should or could have won I would be screaming from the top of every computer I could find. :smiley_595:

But the main thing is I was there and after stopping in Smithfield and shopping, then stopping in Kenly to eat it is now 11pm and after checking lrc I still dont know who won:blue15:

Well then you have two rules CONTRADICTING EACH OTHER....... Because the Green, White, Checkered rule, use to say........Could not find it a little while ago, there would be one attempt at a green white checker, and if the attempt failed the FINISHING ORDER WOULD BE DECIDED BY THE LAST GREEN FLAG SCORED LAP...........which would have had Buddy leading.......:Hide:

[CHansen]

I dont interpret it that way!!!

http://www.fayettevillemotorspeedway.net/rules.html

3. Any car causing a caution will go the rear of the field. Races will be stopped for safety reasons only. After a caution, cars will line up according to the last completed, scored lap. The field will be given two laps after the caution to assume the correct lineup.

Now dont get me wrong I dont have a clue what they did and we all know if there was a way I thought Buddy Jr should or could have won I would be screaming from the top of every computer I could find. :smiley_595:

But the main thing is I was there and after stopping in Smithfield and shopping, then stopping in Kenly to eat it is now 11pm and after checking lrc I still dont know who won:blue15:


I think someone said Glenn Howard.

[jhofficial]

I think someone said Glenn Howard.

Well I was sitting in turn 1 and couldnt see turn 4, so I dont know what happen I just know several cars came rolling in front of me and then the 1 car came with a flat rear tire. Then they just waived everyone into the pitts. I still dont know what happen :No:

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[CHansen]

Well I was sitting in turn 1 and couldnt see turn 4, so I dont know what happen I just know several cars came rolling in front of me and then the 1 car came with a flat rear tire. Then they just waived everyone into the pitts. I still dont know what happen :No:

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I know the SUN was not shinning that bright.............Why in the world could you not see turn 4.......:kenny:

[jhofficial]

I know the SUN was not shinning that bright.............Why in the world could you not see turn 4.......:kenny:

Stop it :blue15:

[CHansen]

Stop it :blue15:

Stop what???????????:20Satan::20Satan::20Satan::20Satan :

[jhofficial]

Stop what???????????:20Satan::20Satan::20Satan::20Satan :

I'm trying real hard to take your advice this evening :13Confused:

[Brett]

I didn't see the entire thing, I was in turn 2 and couldn't see over the haulers. Did Glenn beat everyone back to the line? I didn't think he did, but I didn't really pay that much attention. Plus, he wrecked with Buddy, so he should be right there with him in either 5th or 6th. Also, if they had thrown the checkered or caution, I don't think it would be so confusing. The threw nothing, and told everyone on the radio thats it, theres the 2 chances report to the pits. Which if theres no lap left to line up on, and you don't finish a lap after that, you've got to go back to the last recorded lap, which Buddy was leading on. I'm not bashing the officials, they even said themselves they didn't know what to do. I just would like a clear ruling, rather then "we don't know yet", then giving he win to Glenn who was in the wreck,(if thats the case then Buddy should have really won even more then in the other case) and putting Jr 6th.

[CHansen]

I didn't see the entire thing, I was in turn 2 and couldn't see over the haulers. Did Glenn beat everyone back to the line? I didn't think he did, but I didn't really pay that much attention. Plus, he wrecked with Buddy, so he should be right there with him in either 5th or 6th. Also, if they had thrown the checkered or caution, I don't think it would be so confusing. The threw nothing, and told everyone on the radio thats it, theres the 2 chances report to the pits. Which if theres no lap left to line up on, and you don't finish a lap after that, you've got to go back to the last recorded lap, which Buddy was leading on. I'm not bashing the officials, they even said themselves they didn't know what to do. I just would like a clear ruling, rather then "we don't know yet", then giving he win to Glenn who was in the wreck,(if thats the case then Buddy should have really won even more then in the other case) and putting Jr 6th.

Thats where the problem of not racing back on the last lap comes into play............I hope that FMS learned the same HARD lesson that Dublin did a month or two ago, and change thier rule back the way it was up until 2 or 3 years ago......... With out having transponders to score where a car is at at the time of the caution, the only fair thing to do is race back to the CHECKERED FLAGS and score them as they come across.:BustinAss:

If you dont remember this is the post of what happend at Dublin that prompted the rule change.......
Rule Change Needs To Be In Order!
I think I witnessed one of the most unbelievable finishes in my life during the Open Wheel Race.

Dublins rule is that they only attempt a green white checker finish two times, if there is a caution the revert back to the last scored lap..........

Now here is what happend...............

The 51 was leading the race, when he lost a spring and cut his tire down. This gave the lead to the 14 (who appeared to have a broken shock tower) with a green white checker restart................

Well on the first attempt the 14 went from 1st to 4th in a half of lap, then the caution comes out for the 5 who spun on the front stretch.........

Then send the 14 all the way back to the front for what would be the final attempt to finish the race.

Well at the drop of the green the 14 goes from 1st to 5th before the back stretch.

Well there were several cars that were in the top 5 involved in a wreck on the back stretch............. Well the caution comes out and they award the 14 the win who was running somewhere around 5 when the caution came out................

NOW HERE IS WHERE THE RULE NEEDS TO BE CHANGED!

Get this............... I am not sure all of the cars that were involved in the wreck, but I know the 44 was one and one or two more that were running in the top 5............... EVEN KNOW THEY WERE THE CAUSE OF THE CAUTION, THEY WERE CREDITED WITH FINISHING IN THE POSTION OF THE LAST SCORED LAP............. SO EVEN KNOW THEY WRECKED THEY WERE PLACED AHEAD OF 7 or 8 cars that would have crossed the stripe ahead of them....

THE RULE NEEDS TO BE CHANGED:

That is fine if they want to give two chances at a green white checker, but what we do at Clary's is if we have two failed attempts at a green white checker, the race will be started with the GREEN/WHITE FLAG........... THIS WILL FORCE THE RACE TO FINISH AND THE CARS WILL BE SCORED HOW THEY COME ACROSS THE LINE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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[Brett]

I agree 100%, Clary's has pretty much the best policy, first & last race back unless someone is in danger.

[buddyislesflying11ss]

THERE Was coming to the white flag which never was drop.. the yellow was drop. i think fms was confused and the sun was to hot for the flagman to think.. also fms trackman should have put water on the track before ever feature on the high line only to help with spin out and dust. bad day of racing but fms got a nice place to race and the owner should be proud of what they got...we see you soon again.:wave:

[battenbiltson]

THERE Was coming to the white flag which never was drop.. the yellow was drop. i think fms was confused and the sun was to hot for the flagman to think.. also fms trackman should have put water on the track before ever feature on the high line only to help with spin out and dust. bad day of racing but fms got a nice place to race and the owner should be proud of what they got...we see you soon again.:wave:
didnt go back but was told that buddy lead the hole race, then got loose or something, and that it was suppose to be a green white and checkered and they threw the yellow then the checkered. sounds like a messed up call to me, but over with now. better luck next time jr.

[davemac]

looked as if it was catered to the 1 car...

[Brett]

The never threw the yellow or the checkered at the end, they pulled out the white but never threw it. Just told everyone to report to the pits, and they'd decide what to do. If buddy didn't win, Glenn shouldn't have, both were in the wreck, and Buddy would have saved it if Glenn hadn't hit him(not saying Glenn wrecked him, he had nowhere to go) so either Buddy wins, or both Buddy & Glenn go to the rear in my eyes and whoever was third wins. Can't rule one way for 11 and another for the 1. Really does smell like some home cooking, though I'm trying hard not to see it that way.

[barbecueboy]

HOMECOOKIN?say it aint so....make them two run a five lap shootout at the next race at fms event to settle it....the fans would love it!!!

[Brett]

HOMECOOKIN?say it aint so....make them two run a five lap shootout at the next race at fms event to settle it....the fans would love it!!!

I hear that haha, would be exciting. I wanted Jr to win of course, but if someone had outrun him I wouldn't have any problem, just don't take it from him, and give it to somebody. I wish they would have had some kind of green flag run to see how it would have unfolded, but with the track like it was seemed like no one could keep a rear end under, I know 2 guys broke em without even wrecking, just flat broke.

[Californiakid5]

man if we would have been 15 mins later we would have gotten SOAKED when the last car left the BOTTOM FELL OUT and never stoped so hey theres always next time good run by Buddy and all them but i think time limit came to effect but hey im glad they done it like that cause it would have been a mess with all the haulers in the infield

[Redclay Rebel]

This is the same situation that happend at Dublin a couple of months ago................ After this happend at Dublin, they changed their rule on the green, white, chekered re-starts...................Becaue it was a travisty to see the 6th place car win the feature.

I was not there to see what happend, but from what I understand it was pretty much the same deal.

If there is a caution on the second attempt on the Green White Checkered they are suppose to RESORT back to the last lap scored.................. THERE ARE NO PROVISIONS IN THE RULE STATING THE CARS IN THE CAUTION WILL BE SCORED LAST ON THE LEAD LAP....................... Thus even though the 11 caused the caution, he should have been credited with the win....................... Not that I think it is right, it is just how this stupid rule is written...............

FMS got this idea from NASCAR............The problem is no local dirt track in eastern NC has transponders to freeze the field at the time of the caution like Nascar does........... Nascar has one attempt at a green with checker, but if there is another caution they freeze the field at the time of the caution and credit the cars where they are running at THE TIME OF THE CAUTION...............NOT THE LAST SCORED LAP..........and with out transponders this would be impossible.................

They need to go back to the way it has been for a 100 years............Race back on the white flag, and score them how they cross the start finsih for the checkers.......... You can still give one attempt at a green, white, checkerd, and if that dont work, do what we do at Clary's, the last re-start you start with the GREEN AND WHITE displayed together, thus forcing the race to finish with a one lap shoot out.......

Theres the problem! They got the idea from Na$car

[buddyjr11]

Well I been on vacation and didnt have access to a computer all week. But I think it was one of the most screwed up races I seen. I think we only race 3 laps under green. You COULDNT slow down to drive thru the holes so you had to power thru them causing me to over slide on which cost me in turn 3/4. But I also believe if Glenn didnt hit me then I would have corrected it back. Which Glenn slowed down but he so a hole under me and tried to race back to the flag. The only thing anyone said one raceievers was go to the pits. I also don't see how I was put in 6th. I heard alot of people at Fayetteville talking about how bad Clary's was at the Clash. Well I have never seen a track that bad in my 3 years of racing. We'll be back soon since I have to finish up the show.

[Californiakid5]

Now Buddy you have been pretty good till now but Glenn didnt hit you on purpose and there is no need to say he did if you screwed up you screwed up man just admit it dont blame it on the track the raceceivers or the unhappy Neil Sykes fans that flipped me off at Clarys and was sittin 2 rows down sunday

[w1ck3d0n3l0st]

Now Buddy you have been pretty good till now but Glenn didnt hit you on purpose and there is no need to say he did if you screwed up you screwed up man just admit it dont blame it on the track the raceceivers or the unhappy Neil Sykes fans that flipped me off at Clarys and was sittin 2 rows down sunday

i don;t see where he said anything out the way maybe it can be taken on of text..i could see that but you every think he might be talkin about takin home the win????????:dirt_race:

[Californiakid5]

nah just sayin dont say someone took you out buddy is usually strait with what he says but nobody knows

[w1ck3d0n3l0st]

nah just sayin dont say someone took you out buddy is usually strait with what he says but nobody knows

thats what i am saying do you say you just saying don;t say someone took you out. i read both his post in neither one did he say anything about some one takin him out.

[4BOYZDOT]

Well I been on vacation and didnt have access to a computer all week. But I think it was one of the most screwed up races I seen. I think we only race 3 laps under green. You COULDNT slow down to drive thru the holes so you had to power thru them causing me to over slide on which cost me in turn 3/4. But I also believe if Glenn didnt hit me then I would have corrected it back. Which Glenn slowed down but he so a hole under me and tried to race back to the flag. The only thing anyone said one raceievers was go to the pits. I also don't see how I was put in 6th. I heard alot of people at Fayetteville talking about how bad Clary's was at the Clash. Well I have never seen a track that bad in my 3 years of racing. We'll be back soon since I have to finish up the show.


I understand what Buddy is saying. My wife was video taping the race. On the video you can see Buddy in a four wheel slide. It appears Buddy was recovering until Glenn tagged Buddy's left front, not intentional, Glenn just stuck it in there and the two cars came together. It was just hard racing on behalf of both drivers.

The official call veiwed Buddy's spin as an unassisted spin, making Buddy the caution. The rest of the field was scored according to the last lap completed.

[RaceJunkie]

nah just sayin dont say someone took you out buddy is usually strait with what he says but nobody knows

I have to agree Buddy did not say Glen took him out on purpose, just that he had hit him.

[buddyjr11]

I didnt say anything about anyone taking me out. I said I would have recovered if I didnt get clip in the front. And if we were scored to any lap of the race before that one I was in first. So someone tell me how I was scored 6th?!? I believe there were about 20 cars racing. It was either Me First or Me Last.

[w1ck3d0n3l0st]

thought it be a nice gift since you got robbed of 1st they aleast give u 6th. ???

[buddyjr11]

thought it be a nice gift since you got robbed of 1st they aleast give u 6th. ???
Your excatly right. I truely think thats why I got 6th. No I'm not happy at all about it. I was especting to stay the night but I ended doing it. I prolly lose a total of 600$ of my own money. And on top of that I get screwed out of first to get 6th which I was never running in the whole entire night. I'm not complaining about losing or anything. I just want to know how I got 6th instead of 1st/Last? This is why tracks lose racers. I havent seen a track owner/operator get on here and explain the reason.

[Brett]

I'm stilling awaiting an email explaining the situation, still haven't gotten one. Glenn didn't take Buddy out, but Buddy wouldn't have spun if Glenn hadn't hit him(unintentional we know) Also, Buddy spin wasn't unassisted, part everyones mad about it it should have been 1st. Buddy 2nd. Glenn or about 15th. Buddy 16th. Glenn. They GAVE Glenn the win plain and simple. If I was in 3rd I'd be raisin holy heck, he was the winner in my mind, not Glenn.