just an idea

[shotgun]

:thumb:Ive got a proposition for CLR. Since CLR has a time limit remember this is just something in my head personally.
I say that we cut out the heat races. I know it sounds terriable, but my idea is to draw your number like usual and that determines your line up for the feature race.
we keep practice and add a few more minutes to that. and for losin the heat race add about 5-10 laps to each feature. and again Im just tryin to help the track survive bc if we keep it like it is and keep runnin after the time limit and James has to keep paying fines eventually we wont have it anymore, so this is just my personal idea about it.

sincerely,
Shotgun

[#30fordracing]

but there is no fun in that! u gotta have heat races!

[SCOOTERSnSTUFF]

Isnt ther a rule about 3 cautions and you park it ?

[rbt41]

Isnt ther a rule about 3 cautions and you park it ?
if you are refering to the :rules: they are set in place to be followed only when they are convineint. just my observations. also how about quit harping at the drivers and START the Staff ON TIME!!!!!!! just my 2 cents worth:insane:

[#30fordracing]

that is what they need to do! cause that happens alot and they are not doing nothing about it!

[RacinPa]

keep the heat racessssss.. start 30 mintes earlier if U have to. on roll in, the ones that don't help, send them home JMO

[DirtRacer28]

you cant start earlier because of the sun comin out of 4 it blinds you!

[Redclay Rebel]

keep the heat racessssss.. start 30 mintes earlier if U have to. on roll in, the ones that don't help, send them home JMO
You can't send them home. There wouldn't be enough to race. Make them start in the rear. You can start earlier. I have a very old CLR tape and they have 5 or 6 heats done before the sun even went down. Thats back before they even had a curfew

[wesleycogdell]

i think our biggest problem is the length of our cautions. whether it be the wrecker or getting everyone in line. getting them all in line is the hardest part because most of the time the leader is pacing the field so fast, its hard for anyone to see us.

[ghaw55crewchief]

Shotgun has a good point, I have not not talked to him about it. I under stand He does have concern for CLR and understands that James has to pay fines when we are past the curfew he likes running at Clr and is worried about things such as this . I undrestand the sun getting in your face in turn one. I raced many years ago at a track that had the same problem the answer SUN GLASSES OR SUN VISORES ON YOUR HELMENT!!!! James and the crew at CLR has done an outstanding job of giving us a top of the line track to race at. We as car owners and drivers need to understand the pressure he is under and work with him and his staff to get the show fiinshed on time each week ,As far as the leader pacing so fast you are the flagman slow thier ass down!!!! As far as cautions Last week a car broke and had no chains on the front took to much time to hook him up.

[SCOOTERSnSTUFF]

CLR is doing a great JOB there are always going to be things that can or could be done different. Radios could be the way to go to help with the line ups. I still belive if you R having a tuff night getting around the track and Have brought out 3 cautions what is the deal

[jhofficial]

i think our biggest problem is the length of our cautions. whether it be the wrecker or getting everyone in line. getting them all in line is the hardest part because most of the time the leader is pacing the field so fast, its hard for anyone to see us.

Raceceivers???????:confused:

[ghaw55crewchief]

I hate to disagree with you on this but I talked to many drivers a clarys and they said half time they couldnt here them, plus just more added money one the teams

[CHansen]

I hate to disagree with you on this but I talked to many drivers a clarys and they said half time they couldnt here them, plus just more added money one the teams

Thats because most of them were not instructed on how to use them.......... I have an open wheel modified with OPEN HEADERS and one is right by my feet, and I can hear the raceiever just fine..................

I was not a big fan of them at first, but if you visit our track you will see, that we very RARELY even go 2 laps under yellow, unless we need the tow truck, before we are going green.

[Batts#7]

I can't belive I'm saying this. I agree with JH. I didn't like the racecevers to start with but they do help in lining the cars up for starts and restarts. JMO. Might be worth looking into.

[pairg]

I agree. Raceceivers are the way to go. They aren't 'cheap', but they aren't so expensive they can not be implemented. We had the same (line up) problems up in Tennessee and Kentucky at a couple of tracks. They implemented the receivers and things went a WHOLE LOT faster. At one track we went from going home at 2 in the morning to being on the road before midnight. They work!

p.s.
If you culdn't afford to buy one right off, the track rented you one. It's cheaper than fines!!!

[RaceJunkie]

i think our biggest problem is the length of our cautions. whether it be the wrecker or getting everyone in line. getting them all in line is the hardest part because most of the time the leader is pacing the field so fast, its hard for anyone to see us.

Raceceivers???????:confused:
I agree CLR should implement this in 2009.

If you culdn't afford to buy one right off, the track rented you one. It's cheaper than fines!!!

Most of the tracks around here do the same.

[jhofficial]

I think you were to take an avg of the finishing times this year at Clary's I would bet its an hour to an hour half earlier. We still have issues that could speed things up even more, but I'd say the raceceivers are worth at least an hour every week.

[#30fordracing]

i got ust to the racerecievers they are very helpful!

[Wilder4Racin]

well there are many issues, and I am not saying that I know from being a track owner cuz Lord knows that aint me. Just as a person that watches each week, I would say some minor things could be changed to speed it up. 1) have the cars lined on the grid to go, if they arent there when the first car rolls out to line up, they start in the rear. 2) make every car have chains for the tow truck operator. 3) if the leader runs too fast, give him one warning, he dont slow his tail down, send him the to rear 4) after 3 cautions, park them. Its the same ones each week bringing out the yeller flag. 5) cut that intermission down some. Sometimes its like we sit there forever waiting on the staff to get the stand or whatever yall are doing. 6) do the drivers meeting right at 6, roll it in right away, if the cars dont wanna help, make them start back in the field further then they are suppose to start.
I could go on, but no one there will listen to me. Hope it all works out so we can the races in on time and save James some money. Driver, staff and everyone involved needs to help though. Not just a one man problem here.

[w1ck3d0n3l0st]

2. and 4. are rules at clr if i am not mistaken

[shotgun]

i really do hope yall figure out sumthing bc like Greg said I love runnin CLR

[Wilder4Racin]

maybe so Walt, but then they need to ENFORCE them

[w1ck3d0n3l0st]

maybe so Walt, but then they need to ENFORCE them

O i agree. alot more rules needs to be inforced. but what can ya do.

[shotgun]

on the race reciever end on this deal i dont think they would help alot @ CLR its not linin up thats the problem its that most of the "bigger" classes have way too many caution and thats what kills us. not sure if this was the case the last race but races in the past Ive seen them personally give one guy around 5-6 laps to change a tire but another guy have a flat they go green b4 he hits the pits. but James did say in the last drivers meetin no more courtsy laps. so maybe that will speed things up quite a bit i believe the last race we did get out a little bit earlier.

sincerely,
Shotgun

[jhofficial]

on the race reciever end on this deal i dont think they would help alot @ CLR its not linin up thats the problem its that most of the "bigger" classes have way too many caution and thats what kills us. not sure if this was the case the last race but races in the past Ive seen them personally give one guy around 5-6 laps to change a tire but another guy have a flat they go green b4 he hits the pits. but James did say in the last drivers meetin no more courtsy laps. so maybe that will speed things up quite a bit i believe the last race we did get out a little bit earlier.

sincerely,
Shotgun

They would help a bunch. Everytime I have ever been to CLR it was just like Clarys was in the past, way to many laps under yellow or red trying to reline the cars.

[shotgun]

maybe so JH I guess it would be worth a shot either this season or next, anything to help CLR survive im up for it. also it was great seeing you Friday.

[jhofficial]

maybe so JH I guess it would be worth a shot either this season or next, anything to help CLR survive im up for it. also it was great seeing you Friday.

You too. I think if everyone would give them a shot and also read the directions, they would find they help alot in alot of differant ways.

[ghaw55crewchief]

Like I said I dont know much about raceivers Shotgun didnt get a chance to try one on the 4 at Clarys.Now that I see the rain date there can be used on the 2 of August maybe we get a chance to try it out, sinceCLR will be closed that weekend. I guess Shotgun will find out that I want us to run Clarys on the 2 of August when he sees this thread. Then I will have an open opion on them.

[shotgun]

dag gone Greg I gotta wait till I see a post on LRC to see where we'll be on august 2. LOL
we might have to put you in the car up there that week so I can sit back and let you show me how to drive that place and let me know about the recievers.

[ghaw55crewchief]

LOL got you on that one Check Clarys web site, it has 2 rain dates. Dont tempt me I may just get the urge to sling one sideways again . BEEN A LONG TIME MAY HAVE LOST MY EDGE?

[shotgun]

yes you did. Im going up there in a sec.
I dont think you've lost your edge just talk to 4g.lol

[KevinJames]

Race receivers would cut off an amount of time- no doubt about it; and also increase track safety. Wesley started a very good point in relation to this about the time it takes to get everyone where they are supposed to be. Then there is the cost-versus-benefit analysis of going that route that can only be calculated properly by track management. No change like this is free and simple.

There are other issues to address as well.

We could get started an hour earlier. Sun in your eyes? Adjust for it. By the time of the heat races lately the sun has been well down anyway.

The night should start at 6pm instead of 7. The sun is the primary issue for some with this idea. A large billboard behind the turn 1 wall and perpendicular to the fronstretch would help. It would have to be of the proper dimensions and location to be optimized though - and an engineer would be needed to determine and design that. It might not be able to cover the entire frontstretch with a shadow at that time(unless it was excessively tall), but it could be done so as to shield the second half of the frontstretch from the sun around 6:30 pm. This would of course also provide the benefit of a location for advertising. In addition, drivers/teams CAN accomodate for sun-in-the-eyes situations(like coming off of turn four) and this sun-accommodation issue has traditonally and commonly been a part of racing adjustment.

Second, the watering and track prep have been coming too late and should be done earlier. Nobody wants to go out for roll-in lately because the track is still a mudbath at that time. If the track goes more dry-slick during the mains, then so be it. Reading the track is a part of dirt racing, and the conditions are the same for everyone. Get the track surface ready earlier.

Third, wrecker response for getting cars off the track could definately be faster and this is causing considerable excess time throughout the night. I'm not sure where this can be improved, but it must be. Either through quicker communication, buying a better wrecker, 1 more person on the wrecker, or what. But it needs to be improved. It has been taking too long to get cars off the track via wrecker. This is not a knock against the current wrecker peeps because I know they have been doing the best they can do. But this area needs to be looked at.

Fourth, eliminate cautions altogether to speed up races. When someone spins and is stuck on track, or wrecks up against the wall or whatever - they just stay there the entire race and it becomes like an obstacle course. Ok just kidding on this one.

James these are just my humble opinions. I only see my tiny little sliver of the pie when you see the whole pie. So take it as you will. I love your track and the racing there, and only want it to get better.