Suggestion for super street class

[Ricky Dickens]

How many cars in the super street class would be willing to qualify time trials instead of running heat races? I'm willing to if the track officials are willing to let us do it. What is everyone else in this class opinion? Too many cars are getting torn up for no reason!! At least time trials will put cars that are quicker up front.:Zippit::Zippit:

[wesleycogdell]

i know i dont race at clarys and i very seldom get up there to see a race. i dont know of many fans that like qualifying. i know i dont. i went to winchester speedway last week and they heat raced everything (including late model). sure putting your quicker cars up front might prevent some accidents, but is the fan really getting their monies worth? id be for inverting a certain number of positions each week just to make it more interesting. just my .02 cents worth.

[jhofficial]

Iam not to sure if any cars got tore up last night in heats did they?

[maddog2020]

they need to do something those slower car make it hard on other to get bye them and most slow car cause most of the car the get mess up

[Brett]

I'm all go for qualifying them, just seeing the features is worth my money, I rarely watch the heats, but I do go up when the Supers qualify. I don't come for heats, I come for the feature, I could care less how they determine the lineup for the mains.

[Brett]

Also, I know having faster cars at the back make for more passing, but I'd rather see all the fast cars battling for the lead, rather then seeing alot of passing at the back of the pack.

[Southernbelle]

:rules:The slow cars should just sit back and wait for the "fast cars" to wreck themselves. Slow cars get blamed for all the fast cars mistakes it seems to me. In all the classes. Just my thoughts.

[RaceJunkie]

I hate watching qualifying every class, takes longer and it's very boring. I do like the idea of inverting though.

[CHansen]

I HATE TIME TRIALS...............THIS IS ONE PROBLEM WITH RACING IN THE EASTERN NC. It is BORING for the fans to watch one car go around at a time and race the clock........... They come to watch cars racing each other.................

MY OPINION AND MY OPINON ONLY.............. IF YOU WANT TO TIME TRIAL OR WATCH TIME TRIALS ................... LOAD UP AND HEAD TO THE LOCAL DRAG STRIP........... THEY ALWAYS RACE THE CLOCK !


In the north even the "PREMIER" classes..........Supers, Big Block Modifieds, heat race, and a lot of times start the features inverted...................

But I guess that is why thier stands look like this .............http://www.kbsracingphotos.com/Photos/08-4-25-ACC/images/AC1-KB-4-25-08-%20274.jpg This is even before dark..................

Not to mention 10 to 15 cars are sent home every week because the fields are full to max............

[77v8stock]

Im not racing in SS but I prefer heat races. It makes you try several different lines and see where your car is working and where it is not by running more laps beyond the practice session. It gives you an opportunity to make better adjustments to your car for the feature. I also have been knocked out of feature races due to heat race incidents and it does bite in a big way. Can see your point of view also.

[Brett]

I seriously doubt that heat racing any class will bring more cars in, heats to me are only worth having if theres 1-2 cars dominating each week. A class like the superstreet where you've got most of the field able to win any given night, should qualify. I may be weird, or it may be that I come from a asphalt background but I enjoy time trials a ton more then heat races. Its more exciting I think, and gives you a chance to really see what they've got.

Also, I hate inversions, you race your but off to win your heat, just to get sent to the middle of the pack. Inversions from what I've seen at other tracks have run off more cars then they bring in. First time I man wins his heat, and has to start 5th and gets tore up, hes not likely to come back.

[Brett]

Im not racing in SS but I prefer heat races. It makes you try several different lines and see where your car is working and where it is not by running more laps beyond the practice session. It gives you an opportunity to make better adjustments to your car for the feature. I also have been knocked out of feature races due to heat race incidents and it does bite in a big way. Can see your point of view also.

And heat races don't pay.

[CHansen]

I seriously doubt that heat racing any class will bring more cars in, heats to me are only worth having if theres 1-2 cars dominating each week. A class like the superstreet where you've got most of the field able to win any given night, should qualify. I may be weird, or it may be that I come from a asphalt background but I enjoy time trials a ton more then heat races. Its more exciting I think, and gives you a chance to really see what they've got.

Also, I hate inversions, you race your but off to win your heat, just to get sent to the middle of the pack. Inversions from what I've seen at other tracks have run off more cars then they bring in. First time I man wins his heat, and has to start 5th and gets tore up, hes not likely to come back.

Well if this is the case, just about every class at every local race track needs to heat race, because for the most part it is the same 2 or 3 winning every week in every class.

[steelkiwi75]

years ago, when i raced up north the top 3 got paid for heat race . like 15 for first 10 for second and 5 for third, and you also got a few points for winning a heat race. i can see that now for a track it would be hard to pay for heats but they could put some points in it .

[racer15]

It's not always the slower cars that cause the wrecks, It's the faster ones that are not patient enough to figure out how to pass them instead of trying to run over them. Also why is it that most (not all) but most of the faster cars think all the other cars are suppose to pull over and let them by. It don't work that way . It's racing, so get out there and race. To the faster cars don't get out there and try to go from 5th or 10th to 1st in 1 LAP that's where you get the tore up cars. It's not there fault it's the DRIVERS of the faster cars. It does not take a good race car driver to start 1st and walk away from the others ( That's the Eng. builders goal) A GOOD driver can pass a car and NEVER touch them ( AT ALL ) if it takes 2 laps or 5 laps. Another thing, it seems like when the flagman gives the 5 to go that means knock all the rest out to get up front. My ? is, wouldn't it be better to finish 3rd with the car in 1 piece rather than finishing 8th with the car tour all to s#!&?? I'm not saying that the slow cars don't cause any wrecks they do but the fast cars cause just as many as they do. To the ones with the (SO CALLED) faster cars, if it keeps getting tore up every week maybe the owner should start looking for a true driver.

[Brett]

At an asphalt track where they run 150 laps, I agree, they should be patient and take 2-3-4 laps to get pass someone clean, but when theres 14 cars, and your 14th due to something happening in the heats, and your only running about 20 laps, you've got to make a move. Not saying the slower cars shouldn't be out there, but lets face it, the majority of the ones in the way are near impossible to pass clean when the go in the corner high, come off lower and snake down the straights. I'm not bashing the drivers, I more the likely couldn't do any better myself, but how can you afford to take 5 laps to pass someone clean, at that rate you'd only move up 4 spots. Not saying they should just move people out of the way, but in that short a race, you can't afford to take it easy by any means. As for the owners finding better drivers, this is the superstreet class, the majority of the drivers are the owners, and I bet if you ask each and everyone of them they'd tell you they would rather be fixing a car they tore up going for the win rather then sit back and settle for 3rd.

AS for having 2 cars win the majority of the races means all tracks and classes should do it, were not talking about the majority if the classes at most tracks, were talking about the superstreet class at Clary's Speedway. Which is by far the most competitive class I've seen anywhere.

I want to see the fastest battling for the lead, not 3-4 battling, while the other 6 try and make their way through the slower cars cuz they drew a bad spot in the heats. With as many cars as they have, and with 3-4 still getting cars ready to make it even more competitive, they should time trial, it can't take any longer then running two heats for them, and it'll make for a better show for the fans. Just doesn't seem right to have to leave your night up to luck. Doing this should also cut down on cautions, due to the (So Called) faster cars won't be running over the slower cars coming to the front, and the slower cars won't be in the way.

[waterboyrrhs]

IF you are fast you should be in the front at the end of the heat race so you wouldn't be back there with the slower cars. It is not like they are inverting the field and if you are a good racer and a good driver you should know how to work a round cars and traffic. I think they should stick to heats that is what the fans like and they are the reason that the racers are there and have a place to run so with out them you couldn't race


Daniel Spence

[rb]

I prefer heats. I can appreciate both positions. For the drivers, I can see where some would want to reduce the chances of damage to their cars. For the fans, I can see where qualifying is boring. Something needs to be done to get more fans out across the board.

[Southernbelle]

It's not always the slower cars that cause the wrecks, It's the faster ones that are not patient enough to figure out how to pass them instead of trying to run over them. Also why is it that most (not all) but most of the faster cars think all the other cars are suppose to pull over and let them by. It don't work that way . It's racing, so get out there and race. To the faster cars don't get out there and try to go from 5th or 10th to 1st in 1 LAP that's where you get the tore up cars. It's not there fault it's the DRIVERS of the faster cars. It does not take a good race car driver to start 1st and walk away from the others ( That's the Eng. builders goal) A GOOD driver can pass a car and NEVER touch them ( AT ALL ) if it takes 2 laps or 5 laps. Another thing, it seems like when the flagman gives the 5 to go that means knock all the rest out to get up front. My ? is, wouldn't it be better to finish 3rd with the car in 1 piece rather than finishing 8th with the car tour all to s#!&?? I'm not saying that the slow cars don't cause any wrecks they do but the fast cars cause just as many as they do. To the ones with the (SO CALLED) faster cars, if it keeps getting tore up every week maybe the owner should start looking for a true driver. not only what you said but the slower car pays just as much to race as the so called fast car.:slap:

[smb]

this is why it's called racing & not winning

[Brett]

No matter how fast you are, if theres 8 cars in your heat, and you only get 5 laps, its mighty hard to end up at the front by the end. All I'm saying is, once the car count starts climbing the need for qualifying starts to climb. Heats for a class only bringing in 5-8 cars is great, but once you get up to 12-14-16 cars heats really kill the class I think.

[jhofficial]

I can see this from both sides. In my position many of these drivers have become my friends. They have let me inside to know just how much money it takes to maintain a race car. Now the closer you get to the front, the more money and time it takes. I see there point on being only surround by cars equal to their level. I get it. Most drivers think this makes for better racing. I understand the point. But that's all, I understand it. I dont agree at all with it.

The first thing a track has to have is FANS. People can try and tell me different, but will never convince me that they are not the MOST important, not the only important, but the most important part of any successful track. Without fans no track can continue to open the gates. If the fans are happy and will continue to come out and support a track faithfully every week this allows a track to do special things to attract cars and thus car counts go up. You can have all the cars in the world, but if the racing sucks you will have no fans and a track will not succeed. You can have low car counts and the racing is great, the fan count will be huge and thus allow the track to have incentives for the cars to come and thus the track will succeed.

My opinion Time Trails VS Heat Races there is no comparison. Time Trails SUCK There is no spin that anyone can put on it to try to convince me otherwise that watching 14 cars qualify on time vs 2 7 car heat races is better. So you have all the so called "Good Cars" up front for 20 laps, well maybe so. But you have just took 10 laps of sometimes the best racing away from me. In this economy everything that can be done to attract fans needs to be done. I know someone is gonna say times are tuff on drivers also. I agree but most every driver is there because they love it and come hell or high water are gonna do everything possible to get back out there. There are some fans like that also, but not as many any more in this age. So everything needs to be done that can be for the boarder line fans to keep their attention.

Time Trails is not the way to attract more fans in the stands. To me they are what keeps a track open. It takes all, but there is no way for a track to stay open without fans. From a personal view lets say I dont announce at Clary's every Saturday night, I would still be at a dirt track every week sitting in the stands watching, just like I did for years before. I can tell you if I had a choice between two tracks with every other factor being equal, I would choose the track that runs heats every time and twice on Sunday. Actually everything wouldn't have to be equal; the track that runs heats could be a little less than the track that runs time trails and I would still go to the track that runs heats.

[Brett]

Fans come to see the mains, the heats are just extra, and from looking at the grandstands from the pit side, theres twice as many people in them for the mains as their are for the heats, which tells me most folks don't show til the features.

Couple years ago, South Boston gave a poll at the gates, Would you like to see the Rolling Thunder Modifieds on a weekly bases, simple yes or no. If enough drivers are willing to support time trials, just do the same in the grandstands, and see what the fans think. If the majority says no then oh well, but atleast get their feedback.

[CHansen]

Fans come to see the mains, the heats are just extra, and from looking at the grandstands from the pit side, theres twice as many people in them for the mains as their are for the heats, which tells me most folks don't show til the features.

Couple years ago, South Boston gave a poll at the gates, Would you like to see the Rolling Thunder Modifieds on a weekly bases, simple yes or no. If enough drivers are willing to support time trials, just do the same in the grandstands, and see what the fans think. If the majority says no then oh well, but atleast get their feedback.

I can tell you that 99% of the fans will choose heats, 99% of the drivers will choose time trials............... Im not sure but I would not look forward to the train racing we see at just about every asphalt track, and for the most part the other dirt tracks that time trial everyone........... Whats the challange, for the most part if you quailfy first or second, you will win...........

No matter what if they start first or last most of the time................. "CREAM RISES TO THE TOP":smiley_797:

[rb]

I've enjoyed watching time trials once... and I was actually with JH on that occasion. It was the Hall of Fame race at Cherokee last season. Looking back, three factors added to the excitement of those time trials: the announcer (even though we were sitting directly in front of a PA speaker and couldn't understand a word he was saying- just his energy level alone was great), Steve Blackburn being in the thick of things, and records being set (initially by Blackburn if I remember correctly) due to a bad fast track!

Other than that, I can't recall much excitement during time trials. As for this fan, I'm not just showing up only to watch features. Any race is a "feature" if you ask me.

[jhofficial]

Newbe You are correct that is the only time I have been on my feet during time trails. But that was SLM's. Its also was on the newly reconfigured and resurfaced clay. Also some of the slm never lifted around the place. Now that was something to see. Also I believe it was the top 5 or 6 starters all broke the old track record. But the problem is that was a fluke. I dont think I will ever see that many parts come together to equal that excitement again. Especially on a weekly basis

[rb]

Newbe You are correct that is the only time I have been on my feet during time trails. But that was SLM's. Its also was on the newly reconfigured and resurfaced clay. Also some of the slm never lifted around the place. Now that was something to see. Also I believe it was the top 5 or 6 starters all broke the old track record. But the problem is that was a fluke. I dont think I will ever see that many parts come together to equal that excitement again. Especially on a weekly basis

Agreed. It's hard to expect all of that to come together on a routine basis. :smile: Man, I sure do like that track. :lol:

[jhofficial]

Agreed. It's hard to expect all of that to come together on a routine basis. :smile: Man, I sure do like that track. :lol:

Lucas Oil is there on the 20th

[rb]

Lucas Oil is there on the 20th

I'm going to wait until later in the year. I'm leaving for the beach on the 22nd and can't be away two nights in a row before making the trip. The unfortunate thing is that I was hoping to catch the Clash at Clary's on the 28th, but I'll miss that too. :Doh:

[jhofficial]

I'm leaning heavily to going to Cherokee on the 20th instead of fms on the 21st, the GF wants to go to the beach music festival here in town. Staying on topic, I would be making that choice also based on Cherokee runs heat races in their local class's that night and not time trails.

[buddyislesflying11ss]

if heat racing is so good then WHY does the supers time trial every week ? i bet if the supers heat races every week then the driver will be crying about there wreck up race cars 2. ABOUT slow cars in front of fast cars it a wreck waiting to happen. the green drop and we go but a slow car dont---wreck.. lot of you think us driver and car owner got plenty of money to spend on crash up race cars --we dont--if we dont come then it wont be a show at all..fans comes and no race cars then they wont come back... in super street we got a rule changed this week and it is un call 4. every track that run dirt got our 8 inch back of car rule and all the track does the same things.... but RWP think it better to changed the rule and give no reason for the changed... rules that need to changed or clear up well dont get no attention..s.s driver need to stand together as a group that will have 20 car class soon..

[Coop91]

Buddy what rule did they change?...Not the open/semi-open vs closed rear bumpers/tail ends ?.....That one has been flip flopped quite a few times in the last couple of yrs...Being an under-funded racer and not much help on race days, I understand what you and Ricky are saying about the "slower" cars in yalls way...BUT if we want to race, we have no choice but to get out there with yall..I hope to run a few laps sometime this summer and have fun.But trust me I dont want to get punted into the wall cause yall cant get through...Anybody that knows me knows that I dont play dirty and try to hold people up...So when/if I show any this summer, Charlie dont have to wave that flag at me. Cause I can see and hear yall coming and will gladly move over...lol..

[MADDEN44CHICK]

weekly regular shows should just draw pills!!!!!!!!!!!!! Time Trails should be for only big races!!!!!!!!!!!! the people up North knows what it takes.....wish the tracks in the south will take some lessons from the Northern tracks.......

[MADDEN44CHICK]

I'm leaning heavily to going to Cherokee on the 20th instead of fms on the 21st, the GF wants to go to the beach music festival here in town. Staying on topic, I would be making that choice also based on Cherokee runs heat races in their local class's that night and not time trails.


Cherokee will be a Better show than FMS!!!! You will see 3 wide racing at Cherokee plus you can see the man Chris Madden wheel his #44 Bloomquist Chassis to Victory Lane:evilB:

[gb81racing]

the track may have to have fans..but with out making both sides happy fans/drivers then you will not have the need for fans bc they want have anyone to watch and also if the drivers have there cars tore up and are at home the weekend bc of it then there is no need in any fans being there..so you need one just as bad as you need the other and it is alot cheaper to watch a race from the stands then it is repair a tore up race car from some accident that could have been avoided

[CHansen]

I WILL SAY AGAIN.................. THATS WHY THE STANDS LOOK LIKE THIS IN THE NORTH....................................STANDING ROOM ONLY!!!............Accord Speedway April 24, 2008




http://www.kbsracingphotos.com/Photos/08-4-25-ACC/images/AC1-KB-4-25-08-%20274.jpg



And for the most part tracks in ths south look like this.........................




http://photos.butlerracingphotos.com/img/v3/p1022452160-1.jpg?ts=FMS May 3, 2008.......here is the link so you can see a big picture........

http://photos.butlerracingphotos.com/p48305017/?photo=1022452160


http://photos.butlerracingphotos.com/img/v0/p30811465-10.jpg?ts= Dublin Season Opener.......... here is link...........

http://photos.butlerracingphotos.com/p808075073/?photo=30811465


Link To Hammer Down May 17

http://photos.butlerracingphotos.com/p951011512/?photo=878192752

County Line 4/26http://kevinf.smugmug.com/photos/288780757_TygXb-M.jpg (http://kevinf.smugmug.com/gallery/4849844_RcJHw#288780757_TygXb-A-LB)


Point being...............Local racing in the south is in trouble................I know that with no drivers, there would be no track, but with a thousand drivers and no fans the track would not be open.............. But on the flip if there was a thousand fans and 2 drivers the track would go on..................

If it takes heat racing all classes, including the supers, inversions, and so on and so forth to get the fans back to the track, we (I say we, because we have cars too) as drivers better be willing to do whatever it takes..................:drivecar::drivecar:

[smb]

I know Hagerstown used to line heats up by points in all divisions.

[GRS]

the track may have to have fans..but with out making both sides happy fans/drivers then you will not have the need for fans bc they want have anyone to watch and also if the drivers have there cars tore up and are at home the weekend bc of it then there is no need in any fans being there..so you need one just as bad as you need the other and it is alot cheaper to watch a race from the stands then it is repair a tore up race car from some accident that could have been avoided



Thank you Greg. You said exactly what I was thinking!!!

[JRhodes]

the track may have to have fans..but with out making both sides happy fans/drivers then you will not have the need for fans bc they want have anyone to watch and also if the drivers have there cars tore up and are at home the weekend bc of it then there is no need in any fans being there..so you need one just as bad as you need the other and it is alot cheaper to watch a race from the stands then it is repair a tore up race car from some accident that could have been avoided

Greg makes a very valid point.

[buddyislesflying11ss]

i Will Say Again.................. Thats Why The Stands Look Like This In The North....................................standing Room Only!!!............accord Speedway April 24, 2008




http://www.kbsracingphotos.com/photos/08-4-25-acc/images/ac1-kb-4-25-08-%20274.jpg



And For The Most Part Tracks In Ths South Look Like This.........................




http://photos.butlerracingphotos.com/img/v3/p1022452160-1.jpg?ts=fms May 3, 2008.......here Is The Link So You Can See A Big Picture........

http://photos.butlerracingphotos.com/p48305017/?photo=1022452160


http://photos.butlerracingphotos.com/img/v0/p30811465-10.jpg?ts= Dublin Season Opener.......... Here Is Link...........

http://photos.butlerracingphotos.com/p808075073/?photo=30811465


Link To Hammer Down May 17

http://photos.butlerracingphotos.com/p951011512/?photo=878192752

County Line 4/26http://kevinf.smugmug.com/photos/288780757_tygxb-m.jpg (http://kevinf.smugmug.com/gallery/4849844_rcjhw#288780757_tygxb-a-lb)


Point Being...............local Racing In The South Is In Trouble................i Know That With No Drivers, There Would Be No Track, But With A Thousand Drivers And No Fans The Track Would Not Be Open.............. But On The Flip If There Was A Thousand Fans And 2 Drivers The Track Would Go On..................

If It Takes Heat Racing All Classes, Including The Supers, Inversions, And So On And So Forth To Get The Fans Back To The Track, We (i Say We, Because We Have Cars Too) As Drivers Better Be Willing To Do Whatever It Takes..................:drivecar::drivecar:
Let Look At The People Per Square Mile Up North And Look Here In Clarys Speedway Per Square Mile... ????????? Look At The People Pay Check Up North And Look At It Around Clarys Speedway ?????? Look At Sponser Up North And Sponser We Have Around Clarys Speedway ????? There Is No ? Who Got The Best Deal ??? Up North..

[jhofficial]

The northern part of the country were dirt tracks are located are more in areas similar to the appalachian areas than the major city. I bet a lot of those folks in those areas up there would love to trade pay checks.

My long post didn't say anywhere in there that drivers/cars were not important, but I think Charlie's analogy hit it right on the head.

[Southernbelle]

this is why it's called racing & not winning

The checkered flag only falls for one. They all race for the love of the sport and to entertain us the fans. So they are winners to their family, friends, and fans not the WINNER but winners to us who loves and admires them. Thank you very much.:wings_search:

[jhofficial]

The checkered flag only falls for one. They all race for the love of the sport and to entertain us the fans. So they are winners to their family, friends, and fans not the WINNER but winners to us who loves and admires them. Thank you very much.:wings_search:

Oh lord just when I was starting to like you. :Doh:

:biggrin: :biggrin: :biggrin: :Toothless: :Toothless::biggrin: :Toothless:

[Southernbelle]

Oh lord just when I was starting to like you. :Doh:

:biggrin: :biggrin: :biggrin: :Toothless: :Toothless::biggrin: :Toothless:
I was just beginning to like you too and that is what you taught me there is only one :rules: winner in racing.!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! is that not so. but as I said they are winner to us whom love them not the WINNER.

[Racerchaser]

Let Look At The People Per Square Mile Up North And Look Here In Clarys Speedway Per Square Mile... ????????? Look At The People Pay Check Up North And Look At It Around Clarys Speedway ?????? Look At Sponser Up North And Sponser We Have Around Clarys Speedway ????? There Is No ? Who Got The Best Deal ??? Up North..


you are 100% dead on Charlie,
Bridgeport Spwd. 15 miles from Philly
New Egypt about 25 miles from Trenton,about 40 miles from Philly and 15 to 20 mins from Fort Dix NJ.
Delmar 10 mins north of Salisbury and half hour from Ocean City, 2 hours south of Philly, Wilmington
Grandville mid way between Reading , Allentown, Pottstown
Hagerstown draws from, Baltimore, Frederick, Cumberland.

I've done research about a previous post and trading checks, don't think so. New Jersey leds the country for income per household. New York, Penny. and Delaware are all in the top 25 in the country.

[jhofficial]

Dig a little deeper and see that the large populated areas drive those figures. All of those states have areas that are as poor or poorer than NC. The majority of dirt tracks are not located in populated areas, the few you mentioned maybe, but not the majority.

[Racerchaser]

Damn John

Maryland only have 3 dirt tracks operating

New jersey 2 tracks Windsor closed 2 years ago

Delaware 2 with 1 open.

Pennsylvania has roughly 22 late model or modified tracks of which 8 run sprints. The rest are go kart or Micro tracks.


look it up on the track locater

http://www.localracechat.com/links/browselinks.php?c=19

[smith1s]

The problem is if there is only 10 cars than everyone in is. So why try to tear stuff up during the heats use as a practice. top 3 in each heat should redrawn for top 6 spots in the feature or the top 4.

[jhofficial]

What about the 25 in New York? Guess they are all right out side of Manhattan? Hell numbers can be manipulated to prove almost any point, its only are you smart enough to understand them. Hell someone could say using your post above and distances that Clary's should be thriving cause its only 40 Min's from Raleigh/RTP and closer than that to the suburbs that are flourishing. But then again it is located in one of the if not the poorest counties in NC. So which one is the truth or most accurate to describe Clary's situation?:blue10:

[jhofficial]

The problem is if there is only 10 cars than everyone in is. So why try to tear stuff up during the heats use as a practice. top 3 in each heat should redrawn for top 6 spots in the feature or the top 4.

I think everyone, not only you Smiths is missing the point. NO cars were tore up during the heats. There was one wreck were noticeable damage was done in the feature. I dont think heats VS Time Trails had anything to do with that wreck, that's only my opinion. I dont have the starting line up in front of me, but I do remember it read like a who's who of super street and pure stock racing in eastern NC. I belivie out of the 14 starters only one, maybe two hadn't won at least one race in their career. I couldn't count up all the feature wins and track championships if I had the info for a month. These stats were not complied by just one driver either. I bet close to 8 of the drivers have won a track championship at least once in their career in a V-8 class. I dont think all the facts are coming out the correct way. There are some of the best drivers and cars in the state in the Super Street Class at Clary's this season. I dont see running heats VS Time Trails as that major of a factor on the outcome of the race or an expense issue.

[Racerchaser]

The best I can figure North Carolina has maybe 10 operating with late models or crate late models . 1 that only runs special shows. 2 or more with go karts and spints. 15 total tracks
New York has 19 tracks operating weekly

[Racerchaser]

If everyone would go out there and race for a position for the feature there wouldn't be torn up equipment but some times STUFF HAPPENS and that is the reason they call it ACCIDENTS.
Also think about this way, if your off when you qualify (time) you may not be just right for the feature, but with a heat race that gives you a chance to check it out and get it fixed.

Theres not A SERIES THAT I HAVE BEEN TO IN THE LAST 5 YEARS THAT I CAN THINK OF THAT DON'T RUN HEAT RACES. All of them time for the heat race positions, fastest car pole first race, second fastest second heat pole and so on. Then after the heats they invert the top what every cars from the heats, which is determined in various ways, for the feature lineup.
This gives the spectator/fan more racing, then just going and watch 35 or so cars go out and time then line up for the feature.

TIMING
HEATS
B - MAINS
A - MAIN FEATURE
(sometimes they do dash races instead of inverting)

[smith1s]

I like heats vs. TT. Thats just me though I use it as a practice to get ready for the feature.

[Nightrunner0]

Time trials are very boring. I would think it would also take longer.

[CHansen]

Population in county where Accord Speedway is................. Ulster CountyNew Yorkhttp://quickfacts.census.gov/qfd/img/infoicon.gif (http://quickfacts.census.gov/qfd/meta/long_PST045206.htm) Population, 2006 estimate 182,742




Population in county where Fayetteville is.............Cumberland CountyNorth Carolinahttp://quickfacts.census.gov/qfd/img/infoicon.gif (http://quickfacts.census.gov/qfd/meta/long_PST045206.htm) Population, 2006 estimate 299,060

Populaion in county where Wake County Speedway Wake CountyNorth Carolinahttp://quickfacts.census.gov/qfd/img/infoicon.gif (http://quickfacts.census.gov/qfd/meta/long_PST045206.htm) Population, 2006 estimate 786,522

So I dont think it is all about population.......................

[smith1s]

if heat racing is so good then WHY does the supers time trial every week ? i bet if the supers heat races every week then the driver will be crying about there wreck up race cars 2. ABOUT slow cars in front of fast cars it a wreck waiting to happen. the green drop and we go but a slow car dont---wreck.. lot of you think us driver and car owner got plenty of money to spend on crash up race cars --we dont--if we dont come then it wont be a show at all..fans comes and no race cars then they wont come back... in super street we got a rule changed this week and it is un call 4. every track that run dirt got our 8 inch back of car rule and all the track does the same things.... but RWP think it better to changed the rule and give no reason for the changed... rules that need to changed or clear up well dont get no attention..s.s driver need to stand together as a group that will have 20 car class soon..What was the rule change u are refering to.

[Southernbelle]

if heat racing is so good then WHY does the supers time trial every week ? i bet if the supers heat races every week then the driver will be crying about there wreck up race cars 2. ABOUT slow cars in front of fast cars it a wreck waiting to happen. the green drop and we go but a slow car dont---wreck.. lot of you think us driver and car owner got plenty of money to spend on crash up race cars --we dont--if we dont come then it wont be a show at all..fans comes and no race cars then they wont come back... in super street we got a rule changed this week and it is un call 4. every track that run dirt got our 8 inch back of car rule and all the track does the same things.... but RWP think it better to changed the rule and give no reason for the changed... rules that need to changed or clear up well dont get no attention..s.s driver need to stand together as a group that will have 20 car class soon..

I will say this once more the slower cars should just sit back and watch you that think you are so good just tear each other up and then when you are being pulled off the track wavy to you as they take the checkered flag because they did not complain and b**** about how you fast cars ran all over them. Find something else to whine about instead of rules and slow cars.:rules::Doh:maybe all of you who think you are so fast should go nascar and then those guys could complain about your slow car being in their way.

[buddyislesflying11ss]

I will say this once more the slower cars should just sit back and watch you that think you are so good just tear each other up and then when you are being pulled off the track wavy to you as they take the checkered flag because they did not complain and b**** about how you fast cars ran all over them. Find something else to whine about instead of rules and slow cars.:rules::Doh:maybe all of you who think you are so fast should go nascar and then those guys could complain about your slow car being in their way.
:Doh:i hope you dont think that i am whining about the rule changed...it not that important to me but it a big deal for other track driver that want to come to clarys that got to changed they call in order to race at clarys.... i talk to rwp and he seems to misunderstood about the rule also...all track got the 8 inch back of car closed in rule but know ONLY clarys is difference--so go figure that out...slow car in front of fast car is a big problem.....but it will be what it will be...............:MODhappyjaz:

[Southernbelle]

:Doh:i hope you dont think that i am whining about the rule changed...it not that important to me but it a big deal for other track driver that want to come to clarys that got to changed they call in order to race at clarys.... i talk to rwp and he seems to misunderstood about the rule also...all track got the 8 inch back of car closed in rule but know ONLY clarys is difference--so go figure that out...slow car in front of fast car is a big problem.....but it will be what it will be...............:MODhappyjaz:
Rules are rules and slow cars are slow cars but, the track I guess makes the choices they thank best and so far as fast and slow cars I still say that slow cars take the blame lots of times for the supposed fast cars mistakes (not always but lets be fair sometimes) all of you that thank you are fast are not a bit better driver than the slow car driver will be when they have the years of experience some of you older drivers have. Thank at one time you did not drive as well you do now. I will not take anything away from you. My husband and son thank you are a good driver, me, I do not know you from Adam so I can not say. Everyone should race and try to get along afterall it is a sport that all of you must love to keep spending the money to make cars better and put them back together again. Hope you the best in your racing.:rules: