Dublin/Hammerdown...........

[CHansen]

I know this is gonna make a some people upset, but in my opinion the bonus program is doing nothing for Dublin Motor Speedway. The car counts have not increased, in fact in some classes have decreased since the bonus has started.

Now on the other hand Hammerdown's car counts have grown by leaps and bounds.........

I agree it is an awesome thing for the drivers, but I just dont think that it is of any business benfit for Dublin.

I think it would be in the best interest of Dublin to stop the bonus, and if Hammerdown wanted to continue to do it on Saturday's it would continue to benefit them.

[rb]

Agreed! When I first saw that Dublin was splitting the bonus, I had no idea what they were thinking. Hammerdown is the new track trying to attract cars. There's no "flip side" to this as I doubt seriously Dublin would be trying to attract *new* cars from Hammerdown. Why should Dublin pay into a bonus that only benefits Hammerdown?

[CHansen]

Agreed! When I first saw that Dublin was splitting the bonus, I had no idea what they were thinking. Hammerdown is the new track trying to attract cars. There's no "flip side" to this as I doubt seriously Dublin would be trying to attract *new* cars from Hammerdown. Why should Dublin pay into a bonus that only benefits Hammerdown?

DMS is doing anything they can to be a racers track, that is why the agreed to split the bonus.

I agree......... Cut the bonus money in half and being Hammerdown is the beneficary let them pay it.

[RaceJunkie]

Both tracks had over 60 cars this weekend so it looks like the car counts are about even right now. What are the stands doing?

[CHansen]

Both tracks had over 60 cars this weekend so it looks like the car counts are about even right now. What are the stands doing?


But the car counts went from 80 of so to 60 over the last 3 weeks at DMS and Hammerdowns went from maybe 30 or so to 60 and the stands were very light at DMS I dont know about Hammerdown.................

[MADDEN44CHICK]

2 tracks working together to help Weekend Racers to get sum extra cash is a good thing....with the cost of racing plus the cost of Fuel,food..I understand why dublin is getting less cars then Normal bc when sumthing major Breaks Racer will have to save money to get thier cars fixed......

[DOCCALLAHAN]

i like the fact that both are workin together thats what some used to do back in the dayand bringin it back should help counts are down due to gas prices and other things counts will get better for both tracks jmo

[RaceJunkie]

But the car counts went from 80 of so to 60 over the last 3 weeks at DMS and Hammerdowns went from maybe 30 or so to 60 and the stands were very light at DMS I dont know about Hammerdown.................
DMS Cars pulled from results
March 21st = 55
March 28th = 52
April 11th = 66
April 18th = 66
April 25th = 59
May 2nd = 62

Dublin has not had 80 Cars all year? Hammerdowns car count is mostly coming from FMS.


FMS Cars pulled from results
March 15th = 75
March 22nd = 63 + 29SLM = 92
April 6th (Sunday) = 59 + 19SLM = 78
April 6th = 46 + 28 (Clash) = 74
April 19th = 44
April 26th = 50
May 3rd = 43

[DRJ]

Track conditions at FMS is the main issue I'm hearing from alot of the drivers/owners in the pit area each week. Many have mentioned that they can't afford to continue to race there until the track gets better. I'm sure the bonus money helps make their decision also. Again, this info is coming from the drivers/crews....I've not visited FMS this season.

[Redclay Rebel]

Hammerdown doesn't have alot of grandstands but the pit side was full Saturday night. This was looking at the pit grandstands and everyone watching from trackside(lined up from turn 3 to turn 4)

[CHansen]

DMS Cars pulled from results
March 21st = 55
March 28th = 52
April 11th = 66
April 18th = 66
April 25th = 59
May 2nd = 62

Dublin has not had 80 Cars all year? Hammerdowns car count is mostly coming from FMS.


FMS Cars pulled from results
March 15th = 75
March 22nd = 63 + 29SLM = 92
April 6th (Sunday) = 59 + 19SLM = 78
April 6th = 46 + 28 (Clash) = 74
April 19th = 44
April 26th = 50
May 3rd = 43

All I can tell you is the there are NO cars to pull from Hammerdown and it does not benefit them at all...... COMMON SENSE APPROACH or COLD HARD TRUTH!

[RaceJunkie]

All I can tell you is the there are NO cars to pull from Hammerdown and it does not benefit them at all...... COMMON SENSE APPROACH or COLD HARD TRUTH!

Didn't say it did benefit them, just that the car count has not decreased as much as you stated. COLD HARD TRUTH!

[jhofficial]

RJ your numbers make his point. DMS car count has not changed. So what are they getting for their end of the bargain? Hammerdown and the drivers are loving it. The same cars are going to DMS that were going every week anyway. Just now with the bonus hammerdown is picking up some. Now yes those cars may be coming from FMS and that is what appears to be making the numbers at FMS drop and maybe not so much that things are not good at FMS. When I first read this and didn't really give it much thought cause I really dont care LMAO; I thought he was crazy, but looking at your numbers other than some good PR and helping out a couple of drivers I dont see anything of real financial support that DMS is getting out of this bonus program.

[rb]

The track conditions at FMS are an issue. I've heard it from a few drivers myself over the past few days. Also, with HDS running supers every Saturday, and with more of them starting to run at HDS, there's probably going to be some spillover in the other classes as well... along with an increase in fan support.

In any case, I still agree with Charlie's original point. I don't believe that any of this benefits Dublin directly. :smile:

[RaceJunkie]

So what are they getting for their end of the bargain?
Shaft?
http://www.greatwallgear.com/imagefile/1107396069DILER%20SHAFT.jpg



The track conditions at FMS are an issue. I've heard it from a few drivers myself over the past few days.

Agreed.

There is also another thing to wonder here as well. If They drop it what will it do to their count then, Will drivers retaliate by not showing? And what happens to the points bonus?

$8000 BONUS for Track Champion of both Tracks!
in addition to Each Tracks Championship Payout!
If this is the same Car/Driver
($4000 from Hammerdown + $4000 from Dublin)

[buddyjr11]

Cold hard truth... is this is one of the most dissrespecting threads I've seen. Looks like to me someone doesn't like Hammerdown working with Dublin. I dont see what the big problem is here? Yes It has help hammerdown alot. The main reason I've been coming down there is to run both tracks for the extra money. But I don't have the motor for Dublin so I havent gotten the bonus money yet. I think its one of the best things a track could do.

[vdog01]

I have to agree with Buddy on this one. You finally have 2 tracks working together, giving out bonuses for winning and more cash for the points fund and people still have something to gripe about. Dublin may not be getting anything back finacially on there end, but atleast they know that there car count will remain consistent. Its like i have always said, if a track will show there drivers that they care about them, then the drivers will support that track. HDS will continue to pick up cars because there owner and staff are trying to give everyone what they want, a track that listens to drivers, owners and fans will be the ones who benifits in the end.

As far as the car count increasing or decreasing, one would think with the classes growing weekly that it will only be a matter of time when the late model class is one in its on and then you'll see more of those guys at HDS also. I only hope that these guys continue to work together. I only wish them the best and i can't wait to get behind the wheel and give them botha whirl again.

BTW ..DMS has done a hell of a job this year......keep it up

JMO....

[rb]

I have to agree with Buddy on this one. You finally have 2 tracks working together, giving out bonuses for winning and more cash for the points fund and people still have something to gripe about.

I don't think anyone is griping here. Charlie was just stating his opinion about the effectiveness of this deal for Dublin. Hey, I'm all for anyone throwing more money on the table for the drivers. Don't get me wrong on that. But, the point stands that while it may benefit HDS and certainly the drivers, there seems to be little if any benefit to Dublin.

[buddyislesflying11ss]

me for 1 like going to dublin and hds.. i think it great that the 2 track is working together....i thank hds for the big races in s.s. and trying to give away 1500 to win with 15 or more cars. i sorry but i not all about the supers. it about all the classes and put on bigger races to draw more car in other classes than the supers.... it cost to ride up and down I95 but these two track is doing sometime no other track will do ( try to work together)......................SO DUBLIN AND HAMMERDOWN KEEP UP THE GOOD WORK AND YOU WILL BE BLEST.................BUT WATCH YOU TIME AND BE OUT EARLY ....

[Redclay Rebel]

Well in that case. Dublin and Hammerdown should get a standing ovation for putting up the bonus money. I like going to Dublin and I have had more fun at Hammerdown than I have had in a long time. This thread downs the tracks and they are doing what everyone has wanted for a long time...work together. The drivers need to get out and support these two tracks. HDS is getting alot of attention and its going to be better as they learn the ropes. Thank you DMS & HDS!!!!!!!!!!

[rb]

Well in that case. Dublin and Hammerdown should get a standing ovation for putting up the bonus money. I like going to Dublin and I have had more fun at Hammerdown than I have had in a long time. This thread downs the tracks and they are doing what everyone has wanted for a long time...work together. The drivers need to get out and support these two tracks. HDS is getting alot of attention and its going to be better as they learn the ropes. Thank you DMS & HDS!!!!!!!!!!

I don't see this thread as "downing" a track. It's simply a question about the benefit for Dublin for offering a bonus to drivers running at HDS on Saturday night. That's all. The thread is about the business decision that Dublin made and whether or not they are seeing any return on their investment, not whether or not it's good for the drivers. I applaud them for working together. From a fan's or driver's perspective, this is all good. From the perspective of the folks paying the bills at Dublin, I'm not so sure this is doing anything to improve their bottom line. But, maybe the gesture will go a long way down the road.

[4BOYZDOT]

All DMS has to do is attract one more car (team) per week to break even on the bonus they are paying out. Most likely it's gonna be a car from FMS that wouldn't normally run both nights. Anything else they draw is a bonus for the track, more cars, fans, crews, advertisement, etc. And with things tight like they are right now for most people racing, you have to add up every little thing to come out the best you can. I personaly think it cost teams more money to run at FMS over the others just for the fact that it's hard on tires when the track ain't rough. But that could start a brand new thread!

[CHansen]

Cold hard truth... is this is one of the most dissrespecting threads I've seen. Looks like to me someone doesn't like Hammerdown working with Dublin. I dont see what the big problem is here? Yes It has help hammerdown alot. The main reason I've been coming down there is to run both tracks for the extra money. But I don't have the motor for Dublin so I havent gotten the bonus money yet. I think its one of the best things a track could do.

Well young Buddy there is nothing disrespectful about good business..... I know that Dublin has lost money the last two weeks (anyone can do a quick head count and figure that out), and if you want a race track to run on Friday nights, they better get wise and TRIM SOME FAT, and I think one place to start would be this bonus.

[vdog01]

RB

don't get me wrong i am a big DMS supporter, love the track, and i also have a racing interest in DMS the same as charlie, buddy, joel and everyone else that has posted. hate they did away with the stock4 but i was there every week when we ran and when i get my new car up and going its where i'll be spending friday nights and sat. at HMS. i know charlie and everyone else wants to see it DMS thrive. i guess the point i was trying to make is if a FMS car comes to HDS and wins its more than likely gonna head to DMS to try for the bonus..that'll bring in more crew members family and friends, and possibly some other drivers that normally wouldn't venture outside of FMS. I think we all (everyone posting) want to see DMS just continue to grow and with that help another track that WANTS to work with DMS grow also. I think what Chuck and Mike are doing is very unselfish on both parts, in this day and age most track promoters wanna cut each others throats instead of working together. I say good things will happen to both places because of there willingness to co-exist. oh yeah maybe gripe was the wrong word...no need to argue about it..lol..cause arguing on the internet is like winning a race for donkey's..in the end your still a jackass.... :)

jmo
vance langston

[CHansen]

Well in that case. Dublin and Hammerdown should get a standing ovation for putting up the bonus money. I like going to Dublin and I have had more fun at Hammerdown than I have had in a long time. This thread downs the tracks and they are doing what everyone has wanted for a long time...work together. The drivers need to get out and support these two tracks. HDS is getting alot of attention and its going to be better as they learn the ropes. Thank you DMS & HDS!!!!!!!!!!

I agree its great they are working together........... But HMD is riding on Dublins coat tails, and pockets!

If I was DMS I would have tried anyway possible to work with FMS a little closer, at least they had a base of cars and fans to draw from. HMD had nothing to offer other than UCARS!

[CHansen]

All DMS has to do is attract one more car (team) per week to break even on the bonus they are paying out. Most likely it's gonna be a car from FMS that wouldn't normally run both nights. Anything else they draw is a bonus for the track, more cars, fans, crews, advertisement, etc. And with things tight like they are right now for most people racing, you have to add up every little thing to come out the best you can. I personaly think it cost teams more money to run at FMS over the others just for the fact that it's hard on tires when the track ain't rough. But that could start a brand new thread!

Joel I dont know about that......... One car usually equals 5 people on average........... Thats a far cry from $500.00 if the late model wins the bonus.

Right on about FMS and Tires.......

[4BOYZDOT]

Well you got me there Charlie, but if the word gets out and the competition will pick up no one car will be able to dominate in my opinion from that class. Shaun was probably counting his second bonus money until Dean arrived. I just think DMS will gain enough to justify their part in this without saying tooo much outloud about the nonreceptive group down the street that's trying hard to look out for another group of racers first.

[CHansen]

Well you got me there Charlie, but if the word gets out and the competition will pick up no one car will be able to dominate in my opinion from that class. Shaun was probably counting his second bonus money until Dean arrived. I just think DMS will gain enough to justify their part in this without saying tooo much outloud about the nonreceptive group down the street that's trying hard to look out for another group of racers first.


We know that for sure................

Just as I said DMS should have worked with FMS more closely............. I Think FMS has found out, they should have tried to work with DMS a little harder.

From the outside looking in, it seemed that there was a lot of underminding going on.

Well I just wish there was enough cars for everyone to have 150, but unfortunatly with these economic times, and the tradition of racing on the fade its not gonna happen. :kenny:

[4BOYZDOT]

Agreed!!!

[DoubleZero]

Charlie, you've hit a lot of nails right on the head! But, there's an old saying that applies to a lot of stuff, this situation, too: "A new broom, sweeps clean"
That's why Wal*Mart keeps building new stores, at every wide place in the road. Just being "new" is an advantage, at least for a while. That's also why economist categorize Wal*Mart's performance in terms of "existing store sales" and "new store sales"...........

Eventually, every business, from Wal*Mart right on down the food chain, has to survive on its own merit. "New-ness" and the honey-moon stage gives way to the reality stage. A business will sink or swim, not on what its competitors do, but on what IT does. Competition can't close a given business, only the owner can.

Presently, there's an abundance of race tracks. For the most part, they all exist in the same market, are vying for the same cars, same fans, and in three of these cases, the same night. Time will tell if the market and this present economy is sufficiently healty to support such an abundance. Each track, team and fan, will have to do what's best for their particular situation. Hope it works out for everybody.

[rb]

DoubleZero: I was about to say the same thing about the honeymoon period. It'll be interesting to see what unfolds throughout the year!

[jhofficial]

Dont honeymoons last forever?????? :blue10:

[WilliamsOWM11]

You must be thinking of honey DO'S... they last forever.

[CHansen]

Charlie, you've hit a lot of nails right on the head! But, there's an old saying that applies to a lot of stuff, this situation, too: "A new broom, sweeps clean"
That's why Wal*Mart keeps building new stores, at every wide place in the road. Just being "new" is an advantage, at least for a while. That's also why economist categorize Wal*Mart's performance in terms of "existing store sales" and "new store sales"...........

Eventually, every business, from Wal*Mart right on down the food chain, has to survive on its own merit. "New-ness" and the honey-moon stage gives way to the reality stage. A business will sink or swim, not on what its competitors do, but on what IT does. Competition can't close a given business, only the owner can.

Presently, there's an abundance of race tracks. For the most part, they all exist in the same market, are vying for the same cars, same fans, and in three of these cases, the same night. Time will tell if the market and this present economy is sufficiently healty to support such an abundance. Each track, team and fan, will have to do what's best for their particular situation. Hope it works out for everybody.

I always here the argument for to many tracks............... I just dont understand why in New York State........... where the population in the upstate part is half of here in eastern NC, they have twice as many tracks as we do, and they fielding 27 car fields and sending half that many home in just about every class............. Dont believe me go to www.ocfsmotorsports.com (http://www.ocfsmotorsports.com) and check out thier results.......Count the cars in the heats, then count the number of cars that ran in the feature.

These guys are also racing for less money than what our Supers run for and they are essentially the same motors.......

[Eddy Pollard Jr]

bottom line is very, very simple- Chuck went to Michael with the idea guys.

[Redclay Rebel]

I always here the argument for to many tracks............... I just dont understand why in New York State........... where the population in the upstate part is half of here in eastern NC, they have twice as many tracks as we do, and they fielding 27 car fields and sending half that many home in just about every class............. Dont believe me go to www.ocfsmotorsports.com (http://www.ocfsmotorsports.com) and check out thier results.......Count the cars in the heats, then count the number of cars that ran in the feature.

These guys are also racing for less money than what our Supers run for and they are essentially the same motors.......
I agree with you Charlie. My buddy Neil who has lived in NC for at least 15-20 years now is originally from NY and goes back several times a year just to see the racing. He is trying to talk me into a trip up there and I'm thinking about it. A track a few weeks ago had 40something modifieds for a $1500 show and about 30 late models for even less to win. Not to mention racing up in NY on Fridays, Saturdays, & Sundays and some tracks have mid week shows all the time that have large car counts.

[DoubleZero]

I don't doubt that other parts of the country have a better racing enviroment than the eastern Carolinas, but it really don't matter. It made a lot of die hards mad, but that's exactly why NASCAR left the south. IMO, a Carolina race track needs about a 100 mile competition free radius to have a real chance of success (and that's impossible to have on the coast). And, now, we've got four in a wad. That's a LOT. Racers and fans can pick and choose, but they should be aware that such is a present and limited luxury. And such picking and choosing is the very thing that will reduce the market back to a sustainable level.

[CHansen]

bottom line is very, very simple- Chuck went to Michael with the idea guys.

Well then it should be just as "SIMPLE" for Chuck to go back to Michael and say this is not working for DMS!:Doh:

[davemac]

i think this DMS-HDS deal is a good one and eventually it will be a positive for DMS...people will learn about the bonus and will want to get involved...time will tell and if the car counts for DMS don't increase I think the bonus deal will fall away but it shouldn't be dropped so soon...I'm pretty sure the doubters will not stop ranting tho...

[Eddy Pollard Jr]

I'm sorry Charlie, i forgot once again just who i was talking to.

[4BOYZDOT]

Well then it should be just as "SIMPLE" for Chuck to go back to Michael and say this is not working for DMS!:Doh:
maybe we should let "CHUCK" decide if it is or isn't working and he can do whatever he wants to do.

[C4racin]

First of all we can just look at the car counts of all the tracks from this past weekend. LV=45 Dublin=62 Fay=43 HD=69 CLine=67 I dont see where anything is hurting Dublin, it looks to me they are doing great and the deal with HD will only get better over time. IMO by the #'s Dublin and HD look like the place to be on Friday and Saturday nights. JMO C4

[CHansen]

maybe we should let "CHUCK" decide if it is or isn't working and he can do whatever he wants to do.

Lets see.........I talk to him several times a week, do you think that maybe we have already discussed it.

[CHansen]

First of all we can just look at the car counts of all the tracks from this past weekend. LV=45 Dublin=62 Fay=43 HD=69 CLine=67 I dont see where anything is hurting Dublin, it looks to me they are doing great and the deal with HD will only get better over time. IMO by the #'s Dublin and HD look like the place to be on Friday and Saturday nights. JMO C4

I agree it is a great thing for the drivers, but I dont understand how it is gonna get any better for Dublin, when Hammerdown has no new cars to offer.....

[4BOYZDOT]

CHARLIE, I know you're not that blind or stupid. But, DMS and HDS are not trying to take cars from each other, they're trying to get cars from other places, hint hint!!

[4BOYZDOT]

CHARLIE, I know you're not that blind or stupid. But, DMS and HDS are not trying to take cars from each other, they're trying to get cars from other places, hint hint!!

car count goes up for one car count goes up for the other

you know, clear the smoke and really think about it.

[4BOYZDOT]

Lets see.........I talk to him several times a week, do you think that maybe we have already discussed it.

so either you might be digging around behind his back or you trying to do some feeling out for him?

[jhofficial]

Bonus does nothing for DMS car count only hammerdown. The question is were are the cars who would only race DMS because of the bonus? I dont think I see any and thats the point charlie is making. I understand the PR move and helping the drivers. I get it. But the question is how long can the track afford to do it, if they are getting nothing from it? The ones racing at hammerdown on sat night were already racing at DMS on friday and either FMS on sat or no where. So as I can see it the only one it is helping is hammerdown and hurting two, DMS in the pocket book and FMS with the lower than normal car count.

[Eddy Pollard Jr]

Hammerdown speedway doesn't need another track to help it stand up. Mr. Weeks is a business man, he's not in the entertainment business ala, well never mind! He has said time and time again, he's looking out for the racers not trying to PACK THE STANDS WITH A BIG SHOW or trying to prolong the program just so he can sell a couple more hotdogs or blooming onions! Just ask the drivers, thats what i do, i don't try to sway them on the internet,i just ask them the same thing Michael does-what do you want, what do you guys prefer? They all say the same thing, racing at HDS is far less expensive and with the economy the way it is, car counts ain't nothing anywhere but Bowman Gray Stadium. Michael is not on the phone trying to steer cars his way, ala, well never mind again, he has said they are calling him. RJ, can we get an icon with an person with a big spoon in his hand stiirring the pot, we sure could use it on here!

[rb]

You certainly have to give it up for HDS. If the drivers didn't like what they were doing, the car count wouldn't be growing by what appears to be leaps and bounds.

[jhofficial]

You certainly have to give it up for HDS. If the drivers didn't like what they were doing, the car count wouldn't be growing by what appears to be leaps and bounds.

Of course they do. They should.

You know Charlie may a pot stirrer. But Mr Pollard I sure can remember the days of you on the Internet being an apologist for YOU KNOW WHO. Guess its all about who signs your check on Saturday night is the flavor of the month? So I have more respect for a pot stirrer than a hired apologist.

[Eddy Pollard Jr]

Mr jh. I never apologized to anyone from Fms except the fans! And that was for my actions mr Know it all! Why don't you stick to things that happen north of the 40/95 split since you obviously have no clue about what you are talikg about! Take a trip south one night, you'll see why none of my Late models come to your house! Being on the internet stirring crap is all you do JH! Ps, i haven't eaten as much crow as you have BIG bOY!

[jhofficial]

Mr jh. I never apologized to anyone from Fms except the fans! And that was for my actions mr Know it all! Why don't you stick to things that happen north of the 40/95 split since you obviously have no clue about what you are talikg about! Take a trip south one night, you'll see why none of my Late models come to your house! Being on the internet stirring crap is all you do JH! Ps, i haven't eaten as much crow as you have BIG bOY!

Your late models??????? hmm interesting. We all have thoughts on why the late models dont travel, but that's a whole other thread. I can handle all the crow anyone can dish. The only fans I can ever recall you having any interaction with were the ones on dublinracefans and if I remember you sure were not apologizing. It makes it easy to have to eat crow when you have your own opinion and dont mind letting it be known versus being a single minded mouth peace for which ever track pays you money this season.

[buddyislesflying11ss]

well guess who run the show???? money--no matter where you go it all about the cost of running and who paying what....go luck to all tracks.....we will be at every track this year.... put the show on the road.:wow3_nbs:

[Eddy Pollard Jr]

Your late models??????? hmm interesting. We all have thoughts on why the late models dont travel, but that's a whole other thread. I can handle all the crow anyone can dish. The only fans I can ever recall you having any interaction with were the ones on dublinracefans and if I remember you sure were not apologizing. It makes it easy to have to eat crow when you have your own opinion and dont mind letting it be known versus being a single minded mouth peace for which ever track pays you money this season.

That's right. what ever you say JH. You're the king on here, or that's what you think anyway. Have a good day, i'm getting off here now so keep on bashing. The cricus i took my liitle girl to left town back in March, gee, i don't know how they missed loading that last clown?

[jhofficial]

well guess who run the show???? money--no matter where you go it all about the cost of running and who paying what....go luck to all tracks.....we will be at every track this year.... put the show on the road.:wow3_nbs:

Money makes the world go round so they say. Who is they? :takebath: Buddy I think you and some others have misunderstood the intent of the original post. It wasn't stirring or bashing. It asked a simple question for discussion among race fans. How can that be bad? That's what these message boards were originally created for I thought? Its when some disagree with others answers to the questions for some it turns personal. I have no idea what the two promoters are thinking and could care less if my opinion sways them one way are another. I guess we should stick to results and talking about who took who out and caused a big fight. No room for the intelligent stuff.

If I were in the drivers shoes I would be all for this and any extra bonus. Question was does it benefit the Friday night track. That's it a simple question.

:rant: :rant: :rant: :rant: :rant:

[jhofficial]

That's right. what ever you say JH. You're the king on here, or that's what you think anyway. Have a good day, i'm getting off here now so keep on bashing. The cricus i took my liitle girl to left town back in March, gee, i don't know how they missed loading that last clown?

Thats pretty funny. But yeah name calling is always a good defense when you have no facts or opinions.

[Redclay Rebel]

That's right. what ever you say JH. You're the king on here, or that's what you think anyway. Have a good day, i'm getting off here now so keep on bashing. The cricus i took my liitle girl to left town back in March, gee, i don't know how they missed loading that last clown?
Eddie, no matter how right you are and how wrong he is you'll never win when you're up against John.

[buddyjr11]

I think everyones acting like kids on here to start with!:sign_weird_thread:

[LocklearRacing]

From what I can make of this thread most are talking about the car count at each track only. DMS might not get the increase in car count but they in time will get the people count because alot of people will go to see if a drive can repeat at both tracks. Plus from what I have heard and seen the track surface goes a long way in determining where drivers race at also. I personally like to go to a track where i can see passing. I like all three tracks in question but economy wise DMS and HDS fits my pocket better than the other.

[HDSOFFICIAL]

hey huge idea why dont we just let chuck and michael decide what they want to do with there money and stop trying to spend it for them.

[Racerchaser]

hey huge idea why dont we just let chuck and michael decide what they want to do with there money and stop trying to spend it for them.


I haven't followed this bonus deal real close, so how does it work. What have you got to do to earn it. :DontKnow:

[LocklearRacing]

True, Both of them are business men and they will do whatever they feel is best for their tracks. As fans of racing just be glad we have choices of tracks to attend

[battenfan4life]

I haven't followed this bonus deal real close, so how does it work. What have you got to do to earn it. :DontKnow:

u have to win at both tracks to get the bonus money
u win on friday night at dublin and theb go to hds and win u get a bonus, but if u win sat. night, u gotta win the next friday night at dublin to get the bonus.

[Racerchaser]

thank you Batten, answers my curiosity and question about the bonus deal...............

[DRJ]

The bottom line is that the agreement (bonus $) is between the owners of Hammerdown and DMS.......let them decide if it is benefiting them or not, afterall, it is their track and their money. Its easy for us to get on here and spend other people's money, attempt to manage a track that is not ours, and wonder WHY they are doing certain things. We wouldn't want everyone getting involved in our personal finances, would we? The way I see it is at least the owners are trying to work/help the drivers. JMO

[jhofficial]

Its like this folks. Drivers sit around and do what they call bench racing. Remmeber this race, this wreck, hey what track to run best at, remmeber this wreck, wonder what the track can do to make us happy. So on an so on. Whats the harm of a little bench racing for the fans?

[jhofficial]

Oh I forgot something. Ever think that Charlie may have been trying to help DMS in another way?????? I believe this thread has the most action and discussion of any on here about DMS this season. Ever think that by drawing this much attention to the track it may put a couple extra butts in the seat if nothing but to spite some of us on here? Trust me folks it has and does work. See sometimes there is a method to some of our madness.

[RaceJunkie]

So what was Dublin thinking in the beginning, where did they think the cars would come from? There are only so many cars around this area.


Three tracks within an hour of each other can't have but so many cars to begin with. Looks like to me the only one loosing here is Fayetteville not Dublin.

How many cars is Dublin looking 100? Heck that's not gonna happen at either track, not on a weekly basis anyway. :Doh:

[rb]

Forums are for discussion, and hopefully civil discussion for the most part. No one was attacking Dublin, HDS, their management or any other track for that matter. The point Charlie raised originally was a great item for *discussion*. I personally agreed with his assertion that Dublin had little if nothing at all to gain from this bonus arrangement. However, based on some of the non-hostile feedback, I can appreciate the other opinions that their may be fringe benefits that aren't apparent "on paper".

I don't believe that Charlie meant any harm. He was simply sparking a discussion around the bonus arrangement between the two tracks by stating his opinion that the arrangement seemed lopsided. That's all.

[rb]

The bottom line is that the agreement (bonus $) is between the owners of Hammerdown and DMS.......let them decide if it is benefiting them or not, afterall, it is their track and their money. Its easy for us to get on here and spend other people's money, attempt to manage a track that is not ours, and wonder WHY they are doing certain things. We wouldn't want everyone getting involved in our personal finances, would we? The way I see it is at least the owners are trying to work/help the drivers. JMO

I appreciate what you're saying... but there's a difference in "personal finances" and the finances of an individual or group that provides a service to the public. Not that either should be swayed by the general public, but it's understandable that the finances behind a public service would be open to public scrutiny. Even if all that scrutiny turns out to be flat out wrong. :smile:

I agree- it's great that the drivers can possibly benefit from this. They're the ones that are spending hand over fist to be competitive week in and week out. It's just too bad that there's not enough fan support so that the tracks *and* drivers can profit from all their efforts. :wings_sick:

[CHansen]

Thank you RB for understanding where I am coming from. John thanks for the support, but this is what I am saying......

I/WE have race cars......2 limited, and an open wheel, so from a drivers standpoint the tracks working together and the bonus are AWESOME..... All tracks should have standardized rules "IMO".

I know that I have "NOTHING" invested in Dublin! I know that it is BGM'S money they can do what the want!!!!! But what I do also know is this........If any race track continues to lose money weekly they will not be able keep operating. I know for a fact............That Dublin has lost money two weeks in a row..........NOW.... I dont know excatly how much the bonus money was that was paid out, but I do know that compounded with an off Super Late Model count, and the grandstands pretty sparce, the extra money for the bonus made a bad night even worse...............

It may have been Chuck's idea or BGM or whoever.......... I dont care, and I believe that there is not a RACER OF FAN that runs or comes to Dublin who cares either, if the bonus money that has to be paid, keeps making the "HOLE" deeper and deeper and one day "WE ALL" go to the track one Friday night and find the gates locked because they are not even breaking even......

Now as far a bashing HDS...........Not true at all..........I have ran there, dad has ran there, and we were quite fond of that little place.........The only complaint I had, was the concession stand deal, and at that time they gave like 3 or 4 practice sessions, (ran it like a go kart event), and the money was not that great, but to be expected when it comes to racing, but other than that we had a fun time, and plan to return.

I think Michael is a very smart business man, and is doing a good job. I dont blame him for jumping all over this bonus deal, it was a no brainer for him.

As for the "one" that has jumped to thier own conclusions and think they know where I am coming from.....(not you Joel......lol) I own a race car, I have done everything that you have done at a race track, and a whole lot more, even leased and promoted a dirt track for 2 years, and own two pretty successful business'......... So I might know a little bit about what I am talking about.

I hope that DMS has 15 cars in a class this Friday (I think that is a achievable goal) and packed stands. I hope that everybody who goes to Hammerdown on Saturday, attends DMS to see who may be eligible for the bonus. (as they dont have any cars to offer, at least the fans can contribute)..... That over the next few weeks, people build cars with the intentions of running Hammerdown, and decide to come to Dublin just because of the bonus. Then on Saturday I hope that every car that Dublin has chooses somewhere to race on Saturday, whether it be Hammerdown, Fayettville, County LIne, Clary's, Sumter, or somwhere.......... and I do know one thing.........IF I WON AT DUBLIN ON FRIDAY, I WOULD BE AT HAMMERDOWN on SATURDAY.:HighFive:

No everybody can go to :icon_sleep::icon_sleep::icon_sleep::icon_sleep: I am done rambling, I just hate when I feel like I have been misunderstood.

Maybe RJ will close this Thread and we can all sit back and see what happens.:14NotWorthy:

[CHansen]

DMS Cars pulled from results
March 21st = 55
March 28th = 52
April 11th = 66
April 18th = 66
April 25th = 59
May 2nd = 62

Dublin has not had 80 Cars all year? Hammerdowns car count is mostly coming from FMS.


FMS Cars pulled from results
March 15th = 75
March 22nd = 63 + 29SLM = 92
April 6th (Sunday) = 59 + 19SLM = 78
April 6th = 46 + 28 (Clash) = 74
April 19th = 44
April 26th = 50
May 3rd = 43

Since the Bonus announcement they have been running one extra class..That would be why the car counts appears to be the same...:Doh:

[4BOYZDOT]

Hey Charlie, I liked that (not you joel) part.

BUT you still got to clear some of that smoke and look at this from a more broad point of view. It sounds like you're hung up on paying the bonus to save the track, and that point about low Super counts. That just means less money going out. Supers aint drawing fans, bottom line so why pay them any way. That 's another thread. You're right about Mr. Weeks, at least he hasn't (so far) bought into the fact that you gotta have Supers to run a local dirt track successfully. This move alone makes him pretty smart from where I'm settin. You're pretty smart too Charlie, you've had this going on now for a couple days . good job!!

[CHansen]

Hey Charlie, I liked that (not you joel) part.

BUT you still got to clear some of that smoke and look at this from a more broad point of view. It sounds like you're hung up on paying the bonus to save the track, and that point about low Super counts. That just means less money going out. Supers aint drawing fans, bottom line so why pay them any way. That 's another thread. You're right about Mr. Weeks, at least he hasn't (so far) bought into the fact that you gotta have Supers to run a local dirt track successfully. This move alone makes him pretty smart from where I'm settin. You're pretty smart too Charlie, you've had this going on now for a couple days . good job!!

I Second that Mr. Weeks is smart............ His purse is for the drivers paid for by the drivers. He will be in business forever as long as he keeps his purse like this.... It is a great idea, and in these times of "THE BATTLE FOR THE ENTERTAINMENT $$$$" you can not count on the fans to be there to help pay the purse............It must be covered by the back gate.

My question is, how long will the drivers be willing run, not knowing what they will get at the end of the night.

[TPope]

y'all can hear Michael Weeks' own two cents' worth on this week's "Let's Go Racing" podcast > www.fayobserver.com/sports (http://www.fayobserver.com/sports) and www.wkml.com (http://www.wkml.com)

[rb]

y'all can hear Michael Weeks' own two cents' worth on this week's "Let's Go Racing" podcast > www.fayobserver.com/sports (http://www.fayobserver.com/sports) and www.wkml.com (http://www.wkml.com)

Thanks Thomas. I enjoy listening to your podcasts. Have you thought about having them added to the iTunes store? Sometimes I forget to go looking for it but if it was added to iTunes, I could subscribe to it and see right away when there's an update. Just curious...