Weeks on pole Tucker dqued

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Ricky Weeks on pole Tucker outside 2lbs light at the scale loads up goes home

[crewmembers461]

was that noel tucker or ray tucker

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Consi next 4 transfer

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16 360 48 44 lap 8

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Top 4 16 360 48 44

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I'm typing this with my phone so it will be slow updates It was Ray Tucker

[crewmembers461]

how many lm did they have

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Not sure count 25 or more

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Super Street now 18.plus cars

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1h Wins

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Late models next

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Lap 5 3 8 06

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4 car wreck in turn 1

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4 48 57 17 involved all drivers ok

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8 laps in the books track almost clean supers next

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Lap 9 3 8 06 36

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46 instead of 48 in wreck above

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Finish 3 32 88 not sure on 88 could be 8

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25 17 6 1 15 top 5 start

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Smith start 11th

[JRhodes]

Hope the wind ain't whipping down in Fayetteville like it is here in Elm City.

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Lap 1 gr noel tucker in wreck

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Lap 2 25 17 6 1

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Lap 8 25 17 6 1

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Starting to rain

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Just a sprinkle rain gone

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Lap 20 25 6 70 1

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Finish 25 70 6 1

[cprince07]

How did the 03 of Greg Williams do?

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Stink stank stunk

[mynameiscarol]

Stink stank stunk


Ouch...

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03 missed the set up

[Lucky13]

Ricky Weeks on pole Tucker outside 2lbs light at the scale loads up goes home

What is it with these drivers loading up and going home. You had it during speedweeks, now here. RACE for crying out loud! If he would have qualified in the back would he have laoded up and gone home then also. I just dont understand.

[DirtyLarry]

Congrats To Ricky On The Win

[williams20]

What is it with these drivers loading up and going home. You had it during speedweeks, now here. RACE for crying out loud! If he would have qualified in the back would he have laoded up and gone home then also. I just dont understand.

yes he would he has done it many times. if he knows that he cant win he wont race

[RaceJunkie]

What is it with these drivers loading up and going home. You had it during speedweeks, now here. RACE for crying out loud! If he would have qualified in the back would he have laoded up and gone home then also. I just dont understand.

I heard mixed opinions, from it's stupid to DQ him for 2lbs and also rules are rules. I can see where 2lps don't make a difference and I can also see rules are rules. If it's 2lps this week it will be 20 next week. If every driver has to be at a certain weight then that's the way it should be. We need a track that will make everyone play by the rules it's just bad for Ray he had to be the example.


I also heard the same comment about him going home if he's not going to be upfront.

[Racerchaser]

I agree 100% with RJ. rules are rules;
Weight and speed go in hand,
you have weight rule and that is whatever (2300 lbs.) after the race with driver and a burn off (some series)
you also have a tire rule that lets everyone run on a certain compound.
you have a motor rule for location and in some classes how many cubic inches you can run.
with out rules lets race "RUN WHAT YOU BRUNG" and see where that gets you.
you give a 2 pound this week you will give 3 ponds next week, its only one more pound, so when you print the rules it didn't say 2300lbs more or less, it says 2300 with driver and spoiler (8")

My two question are, did they let him weigh a second time and how are the scales graduated, meaning some scales are in 5 pound increments, some in 1 pound and the newer ones are digital and they will tell you to the half pound of your weight. My next question would be, when was the scales last calibrated and by who. Race tracks scales must be calibrated once a year by a certified weights and measure organization or the state because they are awarding prise money if the weight is meant. Its just like the scales at a granary when a farmer takes his grain in for sale. His truck is weighted and he's is paid for the of grain he had on or a meat store. Weights are weights and certification is a yearly inspection done by an organization or the state for the owner or promoter.

[Lucky13]

If they have a min. weight then there should be no questions. I guess the question is, is there a min. weight rule. If there is and he was under it then they did the right thing, whether it is 2lbs or 200lbs. Another thing is what about the fans that came to see him. You dont just load up and go to the house. I know Ray could have come from the back, its been done there before. Oh well.

[L8models]

I don't disagree with rules, but this was a pretty unfortunate incident. He had a good enough car to come up and follow Jeff to the front, he could have got a 3rd place finish, easy. I sure hope this doesn't leave a bad taste in his mouth, hope he comes back.

[jhofficial]

I dont blame the track if the Scales are correct and have been calibrated. I'm sure Ray had some doubts to that being true. As a Ray Tucker fan it didn't or wouldn't piss me off. The man races to make money, not repair a car from starting in the back!!! According to Mister T-Pope the track wasn't in that great of condition. I would assume it ate some cars last night. I say if Ray or any other driver wasn't happy or satasified which their situation then load em up and leave. I'm not hating on any of em, they dont owe me a thing, I pay none of their repair cost. I also ain't hating on the track if they know there equipment is 100% accurate.

[jhofficial]

I don't disagree with rules, but this was a pretty unfortunate incident. He had a good enough car to come up and follow Jeff to the front, he could have got a 3rd place finish, easy. I sure hope this doesn't leave a bad taste in his mouth, hope he comes back.

I would be willing to bet that it only makes the bad taste that was already there worse. He will be back I'm sure, but I bet ya he aint happy

[Red Dust]

I would be willing to bet that it only makes the bad taste that was already there worse. He will be back I'm sure, but I bet ya he aint happy


i talked to him while he was loading up and he said he wouldnt be back. then again i have heard him say this about a few other tracks and he went back. im sure he was just pissed at the time. i can see why. im not a tucker fan but i can see where he was coming from. he qualified outside pole. those 2lbs. didnt put him there. every driver i talked with about it, which was several, were pissed about it and said it was bs. they said they wanted to outrun him on the track, not like they did last night. but like posted before. rules are rules and i understand that.

[Racerchaser]

many, many top teams have been DQed at the scales, WELL, that is, with the exception of NASCAR ( :laying20laughing: ) but all Ray has to do, is deal with it, and go next week. Just think, if he keeps loading up and leaving the track, he'll only be racing another 6 - 8 weeks because he'll soon be out of tracks to run and he also don't like to travel that much either. As far as him being upset with the track, its better to be pissed off then pissed on :laying20laughing:
When it comes to the fans, thats his burden to bare, not the tracks..........
They have the facility and the rules to run by, and he failed to meet the criteria (SORRY ABOUT HIS LUCK)

[dirt4life]

People keep saying if the scales were right.Please correct me if i'm wrong but did'nt every car there have to weigh on the same scales?Was he the only one called light?

[Racerchaser]

Its not the scales, are you on a team?

[jhofficial]

With the weather changes in the state of NC, I know of no scales that stay uncovered in the elements that are 100% accurate all the time.

[phas82]

2 cars were light can't remember who the other car was. Tucker was also ticked off in the drivers meeting. the track rules are that you have to buy at least 5 gallons of fuel from the track each week. If a team doesn't it can only win the posted money for the race and will not receive any points and will not be in the running for any point fund money. Ray didn't like that and said he wasn't buying fuel and was just there to take the money and the hell with points

[phas82]

Last week the 48 of edwards was DQ for beinging light but he came back this week and ran

[L8models]

2 cars were light can't remember who the other car was. Tucker was also ticked off in the drivers meeting. the track rules are that you have to buy at least 5 gallons of fuel from the track each week. If a team doesn't it can only win the posted money for the race and will not receive any points and will not be in the running for any point fund money. Ray didn't like that and said he wasn't buying fuel and was just there to take the money and the hell with points

Can't blame the man for having that mind set, if his ducks are in row, you better watch out because he will take the money. No need to let this turn into a Ray Tucker bashing. He's the man, always will be.

[RaceJunkie]

Tucker was also ticked off in the drivers meeting. the track rules are that you have to buy at least 5 gallons of fuel from the track each week. If a team doesn't it can only win the posted money for the race and will not receive any points and will not be in the running for any point fund money. Ray didn't like that and said he wasn't buying fuel and was just there to take the money and the hell with points

He should have listened while he was in the meeting. It was stated clearly it was not a mandatory rule you had to buy fuel. They were only asking if possible please buy 5gals to help support the biggest point fund in the history of FMS. Not that much to ask either. Eddie laid it all out to everyone what was and was not required and asked if anyone had any questions ASK THEM NOW, or call him anytime. So if Ray was pissed about any fuel rule it's not the tracks fault, it was his. :HighFive:

[gungun]

That ain.t going to bother ray , there is a lot of other races to run and he has nothing to prove. It is kind of funny though , that car has never been lite at the scales before at other tracks. :icon_gun::icon_gun:gungun

[Californiakid5]

JMO its just one less wreck if ray isnt there he looked fast during practice dont get me worng he can drive, he will be back :01Happy:

[Red Dust]

That ain.t going to bother ray , there is a lot of other races to run and he has nothing to prove. It is kind of funny though , that car has never been lite at the scales before at other tracks. :icon_gun::icon_gun:gungun


i have watched him run for years and i have never seen him light at the scales. you got to think, if people are going to cheat on weight, it aint going to be 2 lbs

[gb81racing]

the thing i do not understand is why do these drivers cut it so close at the scales to begin with. i mean from week to week you will not get the same amount of mud on the car. and 5-10 lbs more will not hurt nothing it will only help..esp when it comes down to being right at the scales or lite at the scales.......JMO

[4BOYZDOT]

the thing i do not understand is why do these drivers cut it so close at the scales to begin with. i mean from week to week you will not get the same amount of mud on the car. and 5-10 lbs more will not hurt nothing it will only help..esp when it comes down to being right at the scales or lite at the scales.......JMO

That's the way I see it too Gregg don't cut it so close and the call won't have to be made either way.

As for Ray being pissed about points and fuel, he was not mistakin, they are exploring other ways of buying into the points without buying VP fuel.
But as of now no fuel no points at FMS.

[rb]

That's the way I see it too Gregg don't cut it so close and the call won't have to be made either way.

As for Ray being pissed about points and fuel, he was not mistakin, they are exploring other ways of buying into the points without buying VP fuel.
But as of now no fuel no points at FMS.

That was my understanding as well. There's two sides to every coin, so while the fuel situation will help the track and probably not be much of a big deal for most that run on it weekly (or plan to run the Crazy 8's), it's probably not seen as a positive thing for those that have other plans.

In any case, it's unfortunate that Tucker didn't make the show.

[hitman1965]

Anybody know if Robinson made it to Fayetteville? If so what happened?

[RaceJunkie]

Anybody know if Robinson made it to Fayetteville? If so what happened?

If you mean Brent, No he did not. I know he said he was going to come last time I talked to him but not sure where he ended up going, if anywhere.

[jog49]

On the fuel issue.....isn't a driver being required to buy not just fuel but OVERPRICED fuel to participate in the points fund?

[Californiakid5]

NO NO the whole thing about if you dont buy fuel you dont get paid or you dont get points is BS it started at Dublin like Ed said so its BS

[Californiakid5]

JMO its a :ride1:see :ride1:do situation

[RaceJunkie]

On the fuel issue.....isn't a driver being required to buy not just fuel but OVERPRICED fuel to participate in the points fund?

I don't know the prices of Fuel in the area but Eddie told the drivers they checked the prices and at $8.00 gal it was cheaper or just as cheap at the track.

And no they are not being forced to by it, Just call Eddie that's what he told everyone to do that had any questions. 910-670-1973

[archielm#7]

weight rule is the rule but what would some of you think if the weight read say 2400 (just using a number) with a 5 lbs break say you come up 2392 or 3 and be in that 5lbs and be rite 5lbs is not going to change anything performance wise all this will do is help out if you lose a weight or something on the track but on the other hand add and extra 5lbs if this makes any sense it wouldnt matter a lot having this rule and a driver like ray would be in the event and could prove better racing for the fans

[archielm#7]

excuse me 2397 or 8

[KMB63]

If you mean Brent, No he did not. I know he said he was going to come last time I talked to him but not sure where he ended up going, if anywhere.
.....BRENT WAS SICK,AND HIS DAD,DEAN,WAS DOWN WITH BACK PROBLEMS........

[gb81racing]

weight rule is the rule but what would some of you think if the weight read say 2400 (just using a number) with a 5 lbs break say you come up 2392 or 3 and be in that 5lbs and be rite 5lbs is not going to change anything performance wise all this will do is help out if you lose a weight or something on the track but on the other hand add and extra 5lbs if this makes any sense it wouldnt matter a lot having this rule and a driver like ray would be in the event and could prove better racing for the fans
well if 5 lbs less will not help a car then if they just add 5 more lbs to the car then that will not hurt them and they will not have to worry about it, and they would still be able to race if they made the field

[4BOYZDOT]

On the fuel issue.....isn't a driver being required to buy not just fuel but OVERPRICED fuel to participate in the points fund?

jog you would be correct !!

[4BOYZDOT]

NO NO the whole thing about if you dont buy fuel you dont get paid or you dont get points is BS it started at Dublin like Ed said so its BS

KIDD I don't know who you are or who you think you are BUT,
You have NO idea what you are saying !!

[rb]

The fuel "rule" (if it is one) should be clearly stated and posted on both the Dublin and FMS web sites.

[vdog01]

you can't let folks get away with being light period..i remember a few years back shannon babb was light at the world 100 and cost him $38,000 if i got my years right. yeah he was pissed but he came back. there is and should be no bell curve for being light, either you are or you aren't. you are given a break for fuel burn off but thats it.

greg your right 5lbs probably wouldn't help or hurt you but if you were to finish second behind someone or qualify second and your 20 pounds over and there 5 pounds light are you gonna argue if they gave the guy whos light the win or pole especially if there 29 other guys there that are legal???? probabaly so and you would have every right to do so. bottom line is ray new what the weight was and it probably was just a simple mistake on the teams part. it happens, learn from it and move on. or just dive into the mud after qualifying like everyone else..lol..catcha ya'll next week

[hitman1965]

Thanks all,

brent has been under the weather alot this year.

That stinks

Hitman

[gb81racing]

you are right, i wasnt saying they should be let off the hook for 5 lbs..maybe you misunderstood what i ment. i think if you are lite you should be DQed. i was saying they should add 5 lbs extra so there wouldnt have to be a question about it. i mean 5 lbs more or less will not hurt a car or help it, so y not add it to be safe

[Brett]

How much was he off? 2 pounds or 5 or what? Are the scales that accurate? I know nothing about tech, or how weight can help or hurt you. 2 pounds is nothing to the average joe (like myself) just seems like for 2 pounds the track wouldn't disallow his time or take a win away. Just seems hard for me to believe you can dq a man for 2, or 3, or 4,5,6. If a rule says 3,100 for instance then I don't see how 3,095 can be considered cheating, give a man a break.

As for anyone saying rules are rules, look at the situation the other way round, Say you roll through tech next week and come up a pound light, are you gonna say fine I'll drop to the back??? come on... no driver's like that, first thing to come out of your mouth is gonna be "its only a pound"

Like I said, I know nothing about the rules, nothing about the situation, but neither did alot of people who have replied...and I hate being left out.

[gb81racing]

How much was he off? 2 pounds or 5 or what? Are the scales that accurate? I know nothing about tech, or how weight can help or hurt you. 2 pounds is nothing to the average joe (like myself) just seems like for 2 pounds the track wouldn't disallow his time or take a win away. Just seems hard for me to believe you can dq a man for 2, or 3, or 4,5,6. If a rule says 3,100 for instance then I don't see how 3,095 can be considered cheating, give a man a break.

As for anyone saying rules are rules, look at the situation the other way round, Say you roll through tech next week and come up a pound light, are you gonna say fine I'll drop to the back??? come on... no driver's like that, first thing to come out of your mouth is gonna be "its only a pound"

Like I said, I know nothing about the rules, nothing about the situation, but neither did alot of people who have replied...and I hate being left out.

lite is lite...if the weight is 2300 lbs..that dont mean u cant be over 2300 lbs so add a lil extra weight to the car. if a driver is cutting it that close at the scales then they should be called wrong if they are lite..now if they lost a piece of weight on the track that would be a diff story but they would still be called wrong :he_legal:

[archielm#7]

well if 5 lbs less will not help a car then if they just add 5 more lbs to the car then that will not hurt them and they will not have to worry about it, and they would still be able to race if they made the field
didnt you see where i said add 5lbs im just making conversation on it to see other opinions on it my 30 years of racing ive always added enough

[archielm#7]

he should of had it at 2320 he would have been just as fast as 2298

[vdog01]

brett,

no one said (atleast i didn't) he (ray) was cheating..he was light plain and simple. there are 2 things you can do in this situation. load up and go home or accept the fact that you were light (grin and bear it) and throw 10 pounds of lead on the old car and let'er eat. personally i would have raced but thats me, i am a racer and sitting in a car racing beats anyday of 12 hour shifts.

lots of the people have been light, from the best in the country to your Sat. night heroes, everyone had been guilty of it at sometime or another. Ray ran across the scales he was light and then back off and tried to weigh again and was light again. it happens.

you can't give him a break, then you will have to give anyone a break. if your 1 pound light you mine as well be 100 pounds light cause it all results in the same thing. a DQ. gotta kinda respect the scale man, he coulda just waived him on through but he did the fair thing in my opinion......

[Brett]

Being lite is cheating if it breaks a rule, which it did, and I agree, I wouldn't have loaded up...but again, I guess he has his reasons.

[vdog01]

lol...well cheating a harsh word. cheating is when you run a 4 barrel carb in a 2 barrel class lol...

being a few pounds light is a mistake and not intentional but everyone has there own interpretation i reckon..lol..

oh yeah..archie.....where u gonna be racing this year?? need to come check ya out...

good talking with you guys..i haven't posted this much in months..lol..catch ya'll later on!!

[rb]

Being lite is cheating if it breaks a rule, which it did, and I agree, I wouldn't have loaded up...but again, I guess he has his reasons.

Cheating implies intent and I doubt seriously Ray intentionally tried to beat the scales.

[gb81racing]

vdog01 you are right...i dont think he did it intentional..and wouldnt call it cheating...but he cut it to close and he was wrong...

[archielm#7]

lol...well cheating a harsh word. cheating is when you run a 4 barrel carb in a 2 barrel class lol...

being a few pounds light is a mistake and not intentional but everyone has there own interpretation i reckon..lol..

oh yeah..archie.....where u gonna be racing this year?? need to come check ya out...

good talking with you guys..i haven't posted this much in months..lol..catch ya'll later on!!
rite now it looks like a little dublin and lake view ive done a lot of racecar work and farm truck repairs for charles miller so i feel like i should patronize him im getting my limited car finished up now will be mid april ive just finished up the last customers car last week now im on mine

[archielm#7]

this and the last post are of topic cograts to you gregg on your win web site and new colors for 08

[gb81racing]

this and the last post are of topic cograts to you gregg on your win web site and new colors for 08
well i am off topic to..but thanks archie....

[Brett]

lol...well cheating a harsh word. cheating is when you run a 4 barrel carb in a 2 barrel class lol...

being a few pounds light is a mistake and not intentional but everyone has there own interpretation i reckon..lol..

oh yeah..archie.....where u gonna be racing this year?? need to come check ya out...

good talking with you guys..i haven't posted this much in months..lol..catch ya'll later on!!

AHH, but remember guys, rules are rules, therefore cheating is cheating...can't cut em any breaks right??? Calling it anything other then cheating implies that you can see how he should have been cut a break, since he wasn't intentionally lite, right???

[rb]

AHH, but remember guys, rules are rules, therefore cheating is cheating...can't cut em any breaks right??? Calling it anything other then cheating implies that you can see how he should have been cut a break, since he wasn't intentionally lite, right???

Wrong. He shouldn't be given a break, but cheating defined is to "act dishonestly to gain an unfair advantage". I doubt seriously he acted dishonestly in this case. He likely didn't know he'd be two whole pounds under weight. It would be wrong to call Ray a cheater for this.

Anyway, :topicsign:

[vdog01]

thanks rb..thought there might be someone out there besides myself that would know the difference in cheating to gain an advantage and a simple mis-calculation....maybe this will help clear some things up...

brett..either way you can call him what you want...i am with rb..on this one...water under the bridge now...

later

[RaceJunkie]

Ray did not nor did he cheat intentionally. They forgot to put fuel in the car when they left the shop and did not realize they were lite. Just a honest mistake.

I still don't agree with him loading up, yea he would have had to run a consi but hey your there to race anyway, why not take the green get your start money then load up? A little is better than nothing at all. :wings_rollseyes:

[Bubba0369]

Ray did not nor did he cheat intentionally. They forgot to put fuel in the car when they left the shop and did not realize they were lite. Just a honest mistake.

I still don't agree with him loading up, yea he would have had to run a consi but hey your there to race anyway, why not take the green get your start money then load up? A little is better than nothing at all. :wings_rollseyes:

Thank you D-wayne I'm so glad you did that because I was getting on here to do the exact same thing word for word!:Supprise:

[JRhodes]

The way I feel about the whole situation is if you are under your class' weight by 5lbs, let them roll through with the opprotunity to correct it. If it's not corrected by the time they roll across the scales after the feature, then boot'em. If you roll to the scales 20lbs light, that's pretty damn intentional. That's the way we used to do it way back when.

On the issue of Ray loading up. I agree with Dewayne.

[jhofficial]

Ray did not nor did he cheat intentionally. They forgot to put fuel in the car when they left the shop and did not realize they were lite. Just a honest mistake.

I still don't agree with him loading up, yea he would have had to run a consi but hey your there to race anyway, why not take the green get your start money then load up? A little is better than nothing at all. :wings_rollseyes:

Doesn't make sense to me. If they didn't add fuel to the car and weighed lets say 2300 pounds (whatever the weight is) They obviously had to add fuel to run hot laps and to time trail along with collecting any mud during that time, this would have put them overweight. So are we sure the scales are 100% accurate?

[Marcia Reed]

Ray did not nor did he cheat intentionally. They forgot to put fuel in the car when they left the shop and did not realize they were lite. Just a honest mistake.

I still don't agree with him loading up, yea he would have had to run a consi but hey your there to race anyway, why not take the green get your start money then load up? A little is better than nothing at all. :wings_rollseyes:

and maybe he didn't want to risk having his car torn up in a consi and add all those unnecessary laps, remember this man funds his ride out of his pocket so it's his choice to load it or race it as he sees fit.......

[RaceJunkie]

Doesn't make sense to me. If they didn't add fuel to the car and weighed lets say 2300 pounds (whatever the weight is) They obviously had to add fuel to run hot laps and to time trail along with collecting any mud during that time, this would have put them overweight. So are we sure the scales are 100% accurate?

Just stating what was said by them

and maybe he didn't want to risk having his car torn up in a consi and add all those unnecessary laps, remember this man funds his ride out of his pocket so it's his choice to load it or race it as he sees fit.......

If your there to race you are subject to run a consi if there are enough cars. Why go through all the work to get your car race ready and not even run a consi? Besides I don't think there were but 6 cars in each consi. So he's willing to start in a field of 24 but not six? Sorry I don't buy that one. If he did not want to race he should have stayed home, simple as that.

I have nothing against Ray love to watch the man wheel a car but I lost a little respect (just a little) for him Saturday.

[DOCCALLAHAN]

I Talked To Stovall And He Told Me Don Went Back Home And Weighed The Car And It Was 2 Lbs Lite On Their Scales So They Just Miscalculated Their Weight Thats What I Was Told

[Californiakid5]

Should have ate a Bolonga sandwitch haha

[RaceJunkie]

I Talked To Stovall And He Told Me Don Went Back Home And Weighed The Car And It Was 2 Lbs Lite On Their Scales So They Just Miscalculated Their Weight Thats What I Was Told

Thanks Doc I heard 2 and 6 so I did not want to post either, as I did not know which was correct.
:animal85:

[Brett]

I'm not trying to argue, but you can't say you can't call him a cheater, then say he should have been dq'd for uh...cheating, intentional or not. What I'm trying to say is that the track should have also seen that he obviously wasn't trying to cheat, so I feel they should have let his slide by if he went back, fixed it and came back thru the scales before he raced. If someones lite week end and week out, then yeah, hes cheating, but if someone slips up and misses it by a pound or two 1 race, then he shouldn't be penalized. All I'm gonna say is, what if it had been, Weeks, or Smith, or someone they knew was gonna run for the championship and be there every race, what would they have done over 2 pounds???

Either way, cheatings cheating, rules are rules, I don't think Ray is a cheater, but then again they don't dq driver's that are legal...I don't think...

[Marcia Reed]

If your there to race you are subject to run a consi if there are enough cars. Why go through all the work to get your car race ready and not even run a consi? Besides I don't think there were but 6 cars in each consi. So he's willing to start in a field of 24 but not six? Sorry I don't buy that one. If he did not want to race he should have stayed home, simple as that.

I have nothing against Ray love to watch the man wheel a car but I lost a little respect (just a little) for him Saturday.

I can understand the "fans" pov, but try looking at it from the car owners/drivers pov......with the price of fuel now it probably costs somewhere in the neighborhood of $8 to $10 per lap(if not more) to run the car,(keep in mind that engines need to be freshened after "x" number of laps).....consi's are added laps and costs plus taking the chance of tearing something up with a bunch of guys trying to make the show on the last chance race......I'm guessing that the risks outweighed the benefits on this one so he chose to load it and "live to run another race".....

[rb]

I'm not trying to argue, but you can't say you can't call him a cheater, then say he should have been dq'd for uh...cheating, intentional or not.

Argh. You are not getting it. :smile: He wasn't dq'd for "cheating". He was dq'd for being light at the scale. Again, CHEATING IMPLIES INTENT! Unless he INTENTIONALLY set the car up to be under the weight limit, YOU CAN NOT SAY HE WAS CHEATING. We break rules every day... sometimes intentionally and sometimes not.


Either way, cheatings cheating, rules are rules, I don't think Ray is a cheater, but then again they don't dq driver's that are legal...I don't think...

Right- cheating is cheating and rules are rules. However, one doesn't have to cheat (remember- intent) to break a rule. Sometimes they are broken unintentionally. In either case, the result of breaking a rule is usually the same.

[Brett]

Argh. You are not getting it. :smile: He wasn't dq'd for "cheating". He was dq'd for being light at the scale.

That doesn't make sense to me I guess we're just looking at it diff...theres a weight rule, theres a a ton of other rules, you break one your cheating you break the other your not??? intentional or not...all I'm saying is the track should bend a little, 2 pounds, come on. as for cutting it close, who doesn't? Any fan can say oh I'd make mine 50 pounds heavier, which driver out there running up front doesn't get as close as possible???

[archielm#7]

he made a mistake if he had weighed 2300 for a 365 cu in motor and was caught with a 430 cu in it then you could call it cheating he just made a mistake all of us have made em nuf said

[rb]

That doesn't make sense to me I guess we're just looking at it diff...theres a weight rule, theres a a ton of other rules, you break one your cheating you break the other your not??? intentional or not...all I'm saying is the track should bend a little, 2 pounds, come on. as for cutting it close, who doesn't? Any fan can say oh I'd make mine 50 pounds heavier, which driver out there running up front doesn't get as close as possible???

I'm not debating the rule itself or the results of breaking it. I am simply stating that breaking rules does not necessarily mean someone has "cheated". I could show up at the track with my car this weekend and break every rule in the book. Am I a cheater? No, an idiot maybe :smile: but unless I have intentionally broken the rules to gain an advantage, I would not be a cheater.

The bottom line is that you can not say that Ray cheated on Saturday. Well, you could, but you wouldn't know what you're talking about.

[battenfan4life]

this is probaly going to make things worse but lets look at it like this?

now lets say it wasn't ray tucker that was lite, lets say it was jeff smith or one of the regular guys, would the guy at the scales dqed them or pointed him on through.

[L8models]

this is probaly going to make things worse but lets look at it like this?

now lets say it wasn't ray tucker that was lite, lets say it was jeff smith or one of the regular guys, would the guy at the scales dqed them or pointed him on through.

Jeff doesn't have to pass through the scales, he's an exception. :Elvis_NBS: (I hope no one believes that)

[70Team]

well i think they dq'ed Porky the week before for being light,he's raced there all of his life.it sucks for Ray,2 lbs didn't make that much of a difference,but rules are rules.racers will take advantage if given the oppurtunity,it's 2 this week next week someone else trys 10.jeff wasn't light so he's not the issue here.

[4BOYZDOT]

well i think they dq'ed Porky the week before for being light,he's raced there all of his life.it sucks for Ray,2 lbs didn't make that much of a difference,but rules are rules.racers will take advantage if given the oppurtunity,it's 2 this week next week someone else trys 10.jeff wasn't light so he's not the issue here.

I have to agree, there is no grey area on this, you gotta call it even if it's close. Porky is a fine example about the what if it were so and so.

I think Ray was just in one of those moods, and decided not to run for a # of reasons not just one.

Shine I was undecided right up till the last minute myself wether or not to run. Hadn't been for a big nudge from my crew I would have loaded up and watched also. Just depends on how you feel on any given night exspecially if you are the owner/driver. Might be one little thing, might be nothing just pops in your head and that's the way you go with it.

[gungun]

Hey doc, they told me the same thing , just miscalulated at the shop before they left greensboro.There was no intent to cheat or try to get by with anything . Thats to long of a drive to race knowing you are lite . If pop said he didnt know then thats what happened.:icon_gun::icon_gun:gungun

[Brett]

I could care less whether he raced or not, 10 pounds isn't 2, and how can you be dq'd for not cheating??? I don't know what happened to Porky, don't know how far off he was, don't care, end of the day I still think DQing Ray for 2 pounds is a total bs move by FMS. We never said Jeff was light, nor weeks, I'm was just saying what if...its no way on God's green earth FMS would DQ any of the Clash boys, ESPECIALLY Smith or Weeks for 2 pounds...and I don't blame em, names like Smith, Franklin, Weeks, bring in more fans then Tucker and Edwards...

[gb81racing]

That doesn't make sense to me I guess we're just looking at it diff...theres a weight rule, theres a a ton of other rules, you break one your cheating you break the other your not??? intentional or not...all I'm saying is the track should bend a little, 2 pounds, come on. as for cutting it close, who doesn't? Any fan can say oh I'd make mine 50 pounds heavier, which driver out there running up front doesn't get as close as possible???
if they bend a lil on the weight..some one will want them to bend a lil for something else..NO they have the rules so stick by them..no bending, everyone should be equal. and i race and yes i would be mad to be DQed by 2 lbs but i would take it and move on. that is all there is to do. But i dont have to worry about that bc we have enough extra weight so that we do not have to worry about being light. and you sai d afan could say they would add 50 lbs to there car, well i am a fan and a racer and we have 200 lbs extra on our car.. and we won fri night at DMS with it to. so that means we run up front and weigh alot more then we have to
I could care less whether he raced or not, 10 pounds isn't 2, and how can you be dq'd for not cheating??? I don't know what happened to Porky, don't know how far off he was, don't care, end of the day I still think DQing Ray for 2 pounds is a total bs move by FMS. We never said Jeff was light, nor weeks, I'm was just saying what if...its no way on God's green earth FMS would DQ any of the Clash boys, ESPECIALLY Smith or Weeks for 2 pounds...and I don't blame em, names like Smith, Franklin, Weeks, bring in more fans then Tucker and Edwards...
It doesnt matter who it is..ALL drivers and teams should be treated equal. in all classes and rather you run up front or in the rear. wrong is wrong and a rule is a rule so go by them or get mad and go home. rather it was intention or unintentional..light is light.:dirt_race:

[Brett]

It doesnt matter who it is..ALL drivers and teams should be treated equal. in all classes and rather you run up front or in the rear. wrong is wrong and a rule is a rule so go by them or get mad and go home. rather it was intention or unintentional..light is light.:dirt_race:

Thats the key word, also, we're talking about SLMs, I've seen cars in superstreet out weigh another car by a couple hundred pounds and run up front, its like apples and oranges, SS aren't SLMS, all of ems pushing the limit, even if they say they aren't... As for bending the rules over 2 pounds, come on, its not like someones gonna come up next week 4 pounds light just to get a break and prove a point...you've got to stop somewhere, 5 pounds, 10 pounds, but not 2, its insane, he should have just thrown his shoe out the window or something...

[gb81racing]

yea you are right..they do stop somewhere and it is at 2300 lbs...that is the weight..not 2296 or 2298, its 2300 and that is it. how hard is that to understand. i mean even the crew is saying they miscalculated. it was a mistake. they will fix it and come back again i am sure.

[Racerchaser]

I Talked To Stovall And He Told Me Don Went Back Home And Weighed The Car And It Was 2 Lbs Lite On Their Scales So They Just Miscalculated Their Weight Thats What I Was Told




John, I told you it was 1 of 2 things and you said, I was wrong, that he didn't play the scales that close.

[rb]

I could care less whether he raced or not, 10 pounds isn't 2, and how can you be dq'd for not cheating???

Sooner or later you might get it. He got DQ'd because he was found in violation of the rules. He was NOT cheating.

[w1ck3d0n3l0st]

Sooner or later you might get it. He got DQ'd because he was found in violation of the rules. He was NOT cheating.

But a violation of the rules is cheatin bottom line. Did ray mean to NO but breakin a violation is cheatin.

[Brett]

But a violation of the rules is cheatin bottom line. Did ray mean to NO but breakin a violation is cheatin.


THANK YOU, thats what I'm screaming! Its like me saying I'm not fat...I'm just overweight...:blue18:

[Brett]

yea you are right..they do stop somewhere and it is at 2300 lbs...that is the weight..not 2296 or 2298, its 2300 and that is it. how hard is that to understand. i mean even the crew is saying they miscalculated. it was a mistake. they will fix it and come back again i am sure.

And I don't think Ray was mad cuz they came up 2 pounds short, they OBVIOUSLY knew they made a mistake somewhere, I think he was upset about getting dq'd for 2 pounds...whats 2 pounds once you get up in the thousands??? 2,998 or 3,000? Its the same when its that close. Anyway, I'm not gonna see it any different, BS call either way "I" look at it. its all about who you are I guess.

[Red Dust]

THANK YOU, thats what I'm screaming! Its like me saying I'm not fat...I'm just overweight...:blue18:

LOL:he_legal:

[Racerchaser]

2lbs or 200 lbs

whats the difference the rules say weight is WHAT IT IS regardless......................

OK since we all know what we are working with here, lets say you finish 2nd. in a $2,000.00 race and the first place car is 2 pounds lite and you past the weight limit with flying colors.

WHO GETS THE MONEY. THINK HARD NOW.

[Brett]

Wouldn't matter, due to the fact that in a race they give weight breaks per green flag laps...so 2 pounds off would be legal...2 pounds less then what they give em would be way off, like 25-30 pounds off so again, wouldn't matter...Unless they give no weight break for laps, and he was 2 pounds off, then it'd be the same as now, give the man a break, he just ran an entire race and is only 2 pounds off, he should get even more break then a man who qualified and was off, so either way, 2 pounds isn't enough to DQ him...

[rb]

THANK YOU, thats what I'm screaming! Its like me saying I'm not fat...I'm just overweight...:blue18:

I tend to side with the actual definition of the word "cheat". :lol:

I'm amazed that anyone would attempt to call Ray a cheater for this mistake. Simply amazing.... Next time you see him at the track, ask him how he felt about getting caught cheating at FMS. :lol:

[KMB63]

My Thoughts,for What It's Worth Ray Has No Reason To Do Anything Underhanded He Is Loaded With Talent And Has Very Good Equipment.
Slm Have Less Rules Then Any Other Class That I Know Of But We All Have To pass The Scales . We All Try To Be As Lite As Possible.
We Need To Figure On Fuel Burn Off Tire Ware Off And Even Changing Tires After Scaling Because All Wheels Don't Weigh The Same. So In My Opinion
Before You Start Haiting On Ray,watch Your Favorite Driver Go To The Mud When He Wins,he's Not Cooling His Tires,lol........

[Racerchaser]

Wouldn't matter, due to the fact that in a race they give weight breaks per green flag laps...so 2 pounds off would be legal...2 pounds less then what they give em would be way off, like 25-30 pounds off so again, wouldn't matter...Unless they give no weight break for laps, and he was 2 pounds off, then it'd be the same as now, give the man a break, he just ran an entire race and is only 2 pounds off, he should get even more break then a man who qualified and was off, so either way, 2 pounds isn't enough to DQ him...


OK Brett, lets try this one more time before I declare it a complete loss of human conception and the required ability to understand.

The rules say that "After the race a car MUST WEIGHT 2350 WITH DRIVER (just say) and you finish second and your car passes the scales but the first place car is 2 pounds light and he gets the points and money and you say oh well whats 2 pounds. You go home with second place money, and other guy goes home with the big money ($1,500.00) and the trophy too. remember you just lost say $800.00 because its only 2 pounds....

NOW WHAT I AM SAYING HERE BRETT IS, PUT YOURSELF IN THE SECOND PLACE CAR, DO YOU THINK ITS RIGHT FOR YOU TO GET BEAT BY A CAR THAT MISSED WEIGHT REGARDLESS OF HOW MUCH. :rules:

WEIGHT BREAKS OR SOMETIMES CALLED BURN OFF ARE STILL FIGURED ON THE SET WEIGHT OF (WHAT EVER) AND THAT DOES NOT FLUCTUATE.

EXAMPLE;
WEIGHT RULE IS SAY 2350 POUNDS WITH A 2% BURN OFF,
2350 X .02 = 47
2350 - 47 = 2303 POUNDS (NOT 2301 OR 2300) ITS 2303 POUNDS AFTER THE 2 % BURN OFF

[RaceJunkie]

Bill you should have been a math teacher...LOL

[Brett]

OK Brett, lets try this one more time before I declare it a complete loss of human conception and the required ability to understand.

I wish you had told me when we started thats what we were doing, I could have saved us a ton of time because I'm not 100% sure(though I did get fair grades in Biology) but I really don't thinks thats possible for us to do... I mean atleast buy me dinner first if we're even gonna try right...

Anyway, I wouldn't have lost $800 since I never had it, can't lose what you don't have, I just wouldn't have won it, and it would be crazy of me or any driver for that matter to say a man won cuz he was 2 pounds lighter then me...

As for the cheater thing, theres only 2 sides, you say Ray Cheated and got DQ'd, or you say it was a mistake and 2 pounds should have been overlooked... theres no gray area from what I've heard...over and over and over again, yet all the people telling me this seems to be standing smack bad in the middle of it...hmm.

Well I'm not gonna cave and neither are yall so, lets push this dead horse out the way and bring in a new one... just give me a minute to catch my breath. if you would.

[rb]

As for the cheater thing, theres only 2 sides, you say Ray Cheated and got DQ'd, or you say it was a mistake and 2 pounds should have been overlooked... theres no gray area from what I've heard...over and over and over again, yet all the people telling me this seems to be standing smack bad in the middle of it...hmm.



I'm saying it was a mistake and it should NOT have been overlooked.

One more time, for good measure:

cheat (chēt)

v., cheat·ed, cheat·ing, cheats.
v.tr.
To deceive by trickery; swindle: cheated customers by overcharging them for purchases.
To deprive by trickery; defraud: cheated them of their land.
To mislead; fool: illusions that cheat the eye.
To elude; escape: cheat death.

v.intr.
To act dishonestly; practice fraud.
To violate rules deliberately, as in a game: was accused of cheating at cards.
Informal. To be sexually unfaithful: cheat on a spouse.
Baseball. To position oneself closer to a certain area than is normal or expected: The shortstop cheated toward second base.

If you are still calling Ray a cheat, you can't read, or you are unable to comprehend what it is you are reading.


Well I'm not gonna cave and neither are yall so, lets push this dead horse out the way and bring in a new one... just give me a minute to catch my breath. if you would.

Don't lump what I'm saying in with anyone else. I am not debating what should have happened after he was found in violation of the rule. I am simply saying that if you know how to read, and understand the definition of the word "cheat", you're dead wrong to call Ray a cheater or to say he cheated in this instance.

To be honest, I'm not even sure why I bothered posting in this thread. :lol:

[w1ck3d0n3l0st]

I




To be honest, I'm not even sure why I bothered posting in this thread. :lol:


cause u have nothing better to do right now.lol

[Brett]

Again...you can't get DQ'd if your not cheating...therefore, you can only DQ someone for cheating... not for not cheating.

[vdog01]

rb..great explanation, but i think someone is just trying to keep this thread going. see how much they can stir up.

some people say tomato..some say tomatoe....
some say cheater...some say simple mistake...
seeing how its nearly tax how many of us are gonna cheat the government or make a simple numbers mistake by not putting that decimal in the right place??

well i guess everyone who make mistakes are dishonest or are trying to cheat someone outta something. i would say that makes me and probably 99% of the folks that post on here cheaters, because i am fairly sure we are imperfect...

i am with you rb....
my last post on this subject...lol...and remember everyone, please be perfect today you don't wanna be labeled (i hope spelling is correct or i am in trouble with the big man) sarcasm

[Brett]

rb..great explanation, but i think someone is just trying to keep this thread going. see how much they can stir up.

some people say tomato..some say tomatoe....
some say cheater...some say simple mistake...
seeing how its nearly tax how many of us are gonna cheat the government or make a simple numbers mistake by not putting that decimal in the right place??

well i guess everyone who make mistakes are dishonest or are trying to cheat someone outta something. i would say that makes me and probably 99% of the folks that post on here cheaters, because i am fairly sure we are imperfect...

i am with you rb....
my last post on this subject...lol...and remember everyone, please be perfect today you don't wanna be labeled (i hope spelling is correct or i am in trouble with the big man) sarcasm

My whole point has been that ray WASN'T CHEATING! therefore for only 2 pounds the track should have overlooked it. You appearently only read the tail end of this post.

[L8models]

This was a honest MISTAKE on Ray's part. If Ray had of intentionally wanted to cheat, I'm pretty sure it wouldn't have been with weight, plus I'm sure it wouldn't have been detected.

[jhofficial]

Whose the MOD for this section????????????? Didnt this start as a update thread anyway? Am I the only one that thanks this one has run its course?????????? :Think:

[RaceJunkie]

Whose the MOD for this section????????????? Didnt this start as a update thread anyway? Am I the only one that thanks this one has run its course?????????? :Think:

Are you kidding? This baby might hit 5,000 views by the end of the week..LOL



:Toothless:

[rb]

Are you kidding? This baby might hit 5,000 views by the end of the week..LOL



:Toothless:

:lol: :1219:

Seriously. Don't close it. Just rename it the Tucker DQ'd BS Thread. :lol:

[Racerchaser]

Ricky Weeks on pole Tucker outside 2lbs light at the scale loads up goes home


The first post, and most of the other post have been about Ray Tucker being light at the scales , whether or not its cheating or playing it to close to the weight limit. When you leave the shop and you are within the weight limit and then when you go across the scales and your light, your scales at the shop might be off too. Myself, he just played it close to the line........... that is not cheating or even close to cheating in racing, all the supers play the weight game and there are so many things that go into getting to, but not under the weight limit, #1 Gas consumption,#2 Tire wear, #3 Mud pickup, all have an effect on weight, and as I said your own scales might be off.

But John this is FAYETTEVILLE MOTOR SPEEDWAY forum and as long as the discussion stays on the subject there is no need to close the thread.

JMO :lrc_rules:

[w1ck3d0n3l0st]

john just dont like ray being called a cheater even do its wasnt his fault.

[jhofficial]

Hmmm Well I think FMS no cooler policy is great Everyone has :rules: to go by. :MODhappyjaz: :Toothless:. So whos everybody think is gonna win this sat night? How many of the FMS supers will go to the clash race or 311???????? Wish I didnt have to work so I could go somewhere this weekend.:wings_search:

[Racerchaser]

Hmmm Well I think FMS no cooler policy is great





Everyone has :rules: to go by. :MODhappyjaz: :Toothless:. So whos everybody think is gonna win this sat night? How many of the FMS supers will go to the clash race or 311???????? Wish I didnt have to work so I could go somewhere this weekend.:wings_search:



:laying20laughing: :wings_surprised2: DO WHAT :wings_surprised2: :laying20laughing:
WORK !!

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SORRY JOHN BUT NOBODY WOULD SIGN WITH YOU.



YOU KNOW WHAT I MEAN, YOU TRYING TO CHANGE THE TOPIC TO COOLERS OR THE RACE AT 311

SORRY ABOUT YOUR LUCK, SON

[crewmembers461]

i think that ray will regroup and go to 311 and be a man on a mission and kick some tail and take names while he is doing it

[Brett]

Are you kidding? This baby might hit 5,000 views by the end of the week..LOL



:Toothless:

Yeah don't close it, this is a racing forum, nothing wrong with a little dabate every now and then, as long as no ones really going off bashing or cursing. I may get fired up from time to time but I love everyone on here...well loves a strong word...but you get my point.
:YesNo:

[jhofficial]

Yeah don't close it, this is a racing forum, nothing wrong with a little dabate every now and then, as long as no ones really going off bashing or cursing. I may get fired up from time to time but I love everyone on here...well loves a strong word...but you get my point.
:YesNo:


This whole debate on what it is called or not called is stupid. He was found illegal and DQ'ed. Who cares what you call it, cheating or not, whoopdie doo. Now a debate on if the scales sitting uncovered all year could ever be trusted is a worthy debate. But the semantics of what a word means is stupidddddddddddddd. :havefun:

[jhofficial]

Didnt really mean to signle you out brett by qouting the post just showing I think it is a useless debate and should be done, closed, finshed what ever words you guys would like to debate now:confuzeld:

[Racerchaser]

You are saying, with every one that is voicing their own opinion on this thread about your boy "SIR" RAY TUCKER that it is stupid. What about last winter when you where at your best with stupidity, when you posted all that stupid stuff about absolutely nothing, when in fact all you wanted to do was pump up your post count and all it was is :rant: :rant: :rant: :rant: :rant: for days on end about nothing........

[Brett]

Didnt really mean to signle you out brett by qouting the post just showing I think it is a useless debate and should be done, closed, finshed what ever words you guys would like to debate now:confuzeld:

Its cool, I don't think this post hurt anyone, and no one was forced to read it...just answer me this, how boring would the FMS section have been his week in it had never started? So maybe something will go on this weekend, and I'll see you guys next week:smiley_706::smiley_595:

[Marcia Reed]

You are saying, with every one that is voicing their own opinion on this thread about your boy "SIR" RAY TUCKER that it is stupid. What about last winter when you where at your best with stupidity, when you posted all that stupid stuff about absolutely nothing, when in fact all you wanted to do was pump up your post count and all it was is :rant: :rant: :rant: :rant: :rant: for days on end about nothing........

:offtopic:

[Racerchaser]

DEFINITION OPEN;

Someone who has an open (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Open) mind (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mind) is receptive (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Reception) to new ideas (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Idea) or information (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Information).


DEFINITION DEBATE;

Debate (North American English (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/North_American_English)) or debating (British English (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/British_English)) is a formal method of interactive and position representational argument (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Argument). Debate is a broader form of argument than logical argument (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Logical_argument), since it includes persuasion (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Persuasion)audience (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Audience), and rules enabling people to discuss and decide on differences, within a framework defining how they will interact. which appeals to the emotional responses of an


Informal debate is a common occurrence, but the quality and depth of a debate improves with knowledge and skill of its participants as debaters.

[rb]

Didnt really mean to signle you out brett by qouting the post just showing I think it is a useless debate and should be done, closed, finshed what ever words you guys would like to debate now:confuzeld:

Go away and leave us to our fun. You of all people asking to have a thread closed? :lol:

[rb]

Its cool, I don't think this post hurt anyone, and no one was forced to read it...just answer me this, how boring would the FMS section have been his week in it had never started? So maybe something will go on this weekend, and I'll see you guys next week:smiley_706::smiley_595:

:smile: That's right. No one was forced to read it.

[rb]

And furthermore, the nice thing about this thread is that it IS related to what happened at / on the track, instead of a lot of bickering about what a track or promoter is or isn't doing with their policies regarding coolers, tires, fuel, car classes, etc. It's nice to be able to talk about racing for a change.

[Racerchaser]

:Kool: :14NotWorthy: :Kool: :14NotWorthy: :HighFive: :HighFive: :14NotWorthy: :Kool: :14NotWorthy: :Kool:

[rb]

:Kool: :14NotWorthy: :Kool: :14NotWorthy: :HighFive: :HighFive: :14NotWorthy: :Kool: :14NotWorthy: :Kool:

No need to fan the flames... I simply got irritated when JH asked to have the thread closed.

[gb81racing]

This whole debate on what it is called or not called is stupid. He was found illegal and DQ'ed. Who cares what you call it, cheating or not, whoopdie doo. Now a debate on if the scales sitting uncovered all year could ever be trusted is a worthy debate. But the semantics of what a word means is stupidddddddddddddd. :havefun:
well a debate could be on if the scales were uncovered or not but that dont really matter bc rather they were or not they must have been pretty accurate if they said tucker was 2 lbs light and then he went home and used his shop scales and they were in the same neighborhood on the light part as far as lbs then they must be pretty close. :11Cry::guidelineshug2rm: so let us have our fun...your man ray was light at the scales so he got DQed after qualifying 2nd and he got mad, loaded up and went home. :Hide:

[RaceJunkie]

Didnt really mean to signle you out brett by qouting the post just showing I think it is a useless debate and should be done, closed, finshed what ever words you guys would like to debate now:confuzeld:


WHAT?? I don't believe what i am reading. The one man who has opposed closing a thread wants to move to the dark side..LOL

You of all people asking to have a thread closed? :lol:

Even Rhett knows it...:partyb:

[Californiakid5]

hey it was his choice to take his ball and go home he could have ran the consi but no he wanted to be a baby bout and take his ball and go home hah JMO its just one less wreck on Sat. night or 18 sec. quicker we get home :icon_metal:

[Californiakid5]

WHAT?? I don't believe what i am reading. The one man who has opposed closing a thread wants to move to the dark side..LOL



Even Rhett knows it...:partyb:
HAHAHAHAHA the Camera Guy speakin up lol j/p Rhett

[311rebel]

or just maybe he did not want to take a 75000 dollar car and tear it up coming from the back for 2500...smart man smart race car driver ..besides the man has been driving longer than some of these people been born..

[311rebel]

he dont play ball .but if he did like he drives a car he would probably be great at that too.....

[TPope]

Just asking a question here:

If you 'scale' your car at home, wouldn't it be prudent to always take your car across a given track's scales just to see where you stand when you get there? And at Fayetteville, the scales are right there beside the chute, so why not hit 'em before you go out? I'm not diggin' at any driver by saying that, I'm simply asking why you wouldn't be safe instead of sorry?

Kinda off topic a tad here, but ...

Y'all remember the April 16, 2000, Hav-A-Tampa race at Fayetteville when Bloomquist was flagged the winner? Then he got to the scales and was 42 pounds light. I overheard a HAT official say that Bloomquist reportedly told him, "I had a fuel leak." Nobody loses 42 pounds of fuel unnoticed - should've been a rooster tail of gas comin' out of that thing. It sure made a surprised second-place finisher Rick Eckert real happy - $10,000 happy.

Afterward, a HAT official came to me and said, "Don't print how much underweight he was."

"Why not? What difference does it make?"

"Well, the other drivers don't need to know."

All of part what makes racin' fun sometimes ...

[jog49]

At the end of this long thread, the selection committee has met and decided that the DIMWIT OF THE THREAD award goes to the knuckle
dragger who posted "then say he should have been dq'd for uh.......
cheating, intentional or not."

Intentional or not? Wouldn't "not" imply unintentional cheating? Imagine that.......cheating but UNAWARE that you were cheating! LOL!