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RaceJunkie
03-11-2008, 09:23 AM
This Means They Could Run Any Brand Tire And Any Compound

Hoosiers
Firestone
Bf Goodrich
Dunlop
Yokohama
American Racer

DOCCALLAHAN
03-11-2008, 10:28 AM
they wanna make everything else competetive to make it better so i think it would be good

JRhodes
03-11-2008, 11:35 AM
Hell Yeah!!!!!

Slinger_18
03-11-2008, 12:38 PM
no no no lol got to look at the low budget teams wouldnt have the money to keep up with the best and to tell u the truth most would still run goodyears

rcrdirtfan
03-11-2008, 01:53 PM
Nascar's reason for having a contract with goodyear is safety, but i'd have to say BS on that one, its really money. In my opinion, an open tire rule would lead to safer, more competitive tires, because each company would compete to have the best tire out there. Also, to address your comment Slinger, I think an open rule could actually bring tire cost down, with the competition between brand. Besides, they need to be able to change something about their cars, otherwise nascars just gonna keep turning more and more into a game of follow the leader.

Californiakid5
03-11-2008, 04:50 PM
Goodyears Suck Anyway

Dirtfan_21
03-11-2008, 04:55 PM
Goodyears Suck Anyway

:icon_agreed:

battenbiltson
03-12-2008, 05:42 PM
dont care what tired company they use but should all be on the same compound, i think it should be that way at any track and any form of racing, put everybody on the same playing field and let the drivers have to wheel the car. i dont like kyle bush but he is the drivenest fool in nascar. cause he aint scared of nothin, jmo. i like what he says, JUST GOT TO KEEP YA FOOT IN IT. lol

Racerchaser
03-12-2008, 11:45 PM
dont care what tired company they use but should all be on the same compound, i think it should be that way at any track and any form of racing, put everybody on the same playing field and let the drivers have to wheel the car. i dont like kyle bush but he is the drivenest fool in nascar. cause he aint scared of nothin, jmo. i like what he says, JUST GOT TO KEEP YA FOOT IN IT. lol

when you tell them what compound to run or what brand to run that is not an open tire rule.. Basically what your saying is a track tire with no alternative

THAT IS NOT AN OPEN TIRE RULE. Operative word here is OPEN

rix#64
03-13-2008, 05:44 PM
hoosier tire did provide a great tire for nascar in the past and I'm sure the same could be true again.

rockinrobselle1
03-13-2008, 05:53 PM
Don't really care BUT Goodyear ain't going nowhere any time soon...Remember the TIRE WARS In the late 80's ...It got down to who could build the fastest tire AND Safety went right out the door along with HOOSIER...

battenbiltson
03-13-2008, 06:30 PM
when you tell them what compound to run or what brand to run that is not an open tire rule.. Basically what your saying is a track tire with no alternative

THAT IS NOT AN OPEN TIRE RULE. Operative word here is OPEN
yes, i think every track should not have a open tire rule. jmo put it in the set up and drivers hand and i dont think goodyear is goin anywhere from nascar and there will never be an open tired rule either. but hey my word is jmo , dont mean grap. lol

Pretender
03-14-2008, 04:56 PM
Nascar's reason for having a contract with goodyear is safety, but i'd have to say BS on that one, its really money. In my opinion, an open tire rule would lead to safer, more competitive tires, because each company would compete to have the best tire out there. Also, to address your comment Slinger, I think an open rule could actually bring tire cost down, with the competition between brand. Besides, they need to be able to change something about their cars, otherwise nascars just gonna keep turning more and more into a game of follow the leader.

I have to disagree. Safety would be no more! To be better than the next brand, you have to make a softer tire. Tire failure will run wild!

Despite the setbacks, Bonnett was encouraged because he had secured a ride and sponsorship for at least six races in the 1994 season with car owner James Finch, including the season opening Daytona 500. But on February 11, 1994, during the first practice session for the 1994 Daytona 500, Bonnett's car suffered a right front tire failure in the track's fourth turn. Bonnett's car hit the outside wall nearly head-on. Bonnett was taken to nearby Halifax Medical Center, but he had died on impact.

The Last time we had more than Goodyear in the sport Neil Bonnet and Rodney Orr died because the tire companies were trying to make the tires softer than the competition and they made the right fronts too soft.

91JTFAN
03-18-2008, 04:30 PM
The last time Nascar had a "open" tire rule was the Goodyear-Hoosier Tire War ... Safety became a huge concern ... And I still say that if this so called Tire War never took place that Neil Bonnet would still be walking amongst us all ... :icon_badidea:

TheHat
03-27-2008, 04:12 PM
Hoosier and BFG are all ready makeing tires for other classes. I just think that it is odd how when they run on the same track on the same weekend that the Goodyears are having this, that, and the other problem while Hoosier and BFG are doing just fine.
Goodyear and NASCAR USSR is all about money. Goodyear gets the contract and NASCAR USSR gets there cut.

Racerchaser
03-27-2008, 06:47 PM
Good Point

Pretender
03-28-2008, 01:04 AM
Hoosier and BFG are all ready makeing tires for other classes. I just think that it is odd how when they run on the same track on the same weekend that the Goodyears are having this, that, and the other problem while Hoosier and BFG are doing just fine..

But not in the same race or same type of car


Goodyear and NASCAR USSR is all about money. Goodyear gets the contract and NASCAR USSR gets there cut.

Goodyear racing engineers used their track expertise to develop ultra-performance EagleŽ tires for the 200 + mph Ferrari F-50 and McLaren F1 GT street cars.

The first "tire deal" was cut in 1901 by Goodyear's co-founder and sales manager, Charles Seiberling, when he wrote young Henry Ford regarding Ford's new race car: "I am willing to throw away the profit on this set of tires in order to get you started and give you a chance to test them."

The first notable race tire development was a switch from square-woven fabric to cord fabric when a number of "side flange detachable" tires suffered cord failure in a major race in England in 1902.

Goodyear has won more racing championships than any other tire company in the world.

Some race tires are inflated with air treated by a special dryer to remove excess moisture, which results in better tire pressure control. While Goodyear's "tire busters" fill all tires at the track with air, many teams will deflate their tires and refill them with nitrogen. Pure nitrogen is "dry air" while regular air can have varying levels of moisture. Some teams also believe nitrogen makes for a more consistent product from tire to tire.

Each Goodyear radial race tire built in the Technical Center in Akron, Ohio, is marked with the builder's name and sequence number, allowing for quality control and accountability of all components. Use of bar coding for inventory control and tire tracing in the Winston Cup series began in the 1999 season. In 2001, Goodyear's Akron Technical Center produced more than 150,000 Eagle radial race tires for NASCAR alone.

Almost 85 percent of the many, many hours of testing that goes into a new Goodyear race tire is done on the computers and in the laboratories of the Akron Technical Center. Only 15 percent of the testing is actually done on the track.

Engineers often work a year in advance to come up with tire recommendations for a series. Production schedules are prepared in advance, and Goodyear associates work 24 hours a day producing Eagle racing tires. Yet, there is margin for production flexibility to do quick turn arounds on short lead tire orders.

About 75 percent of race tire development work involves the current season. A portion of development time is focused ahead as Goodyear engineers test new concepts, experimental materials and new technology.

At the top of a run, a Top Fuel driver is subjected to a force equaling 5 Gs. In less than 3 seconds a Top Fuel car will travel 660 feet and reach speeds in excess of 270 mph. The life of a race tire can be as little as 30 seconds on a Top Fuel dragster.

The 2001 season marked the first time that tire spring rate information was included with every NASCAR Winston Cup, Busch and Craftsman Truck series tire to assist the teams in setting up their cars.

Because NASCAR race tires are smaller and have a narrower tread width, and the cars weigh more than double that of an IRL or Champ car, NASCAR tires require a harder rubber compound than in any other racing series.

The "footprint" of a NASCAR Winston Cup tire, or the amount of rubber that is touching the track surface, is rougly equal to the footprint of a men's size 11, standard width shoe. The "contact patch," or the amount of rubber from all four tires touching the track at any given moment for a Winston Cup car is approximately one square foot.

Dover has traditionally been the toughest track on Goodyear's NASCAR race tires because of the loading, the banking and the track's concrete surface. Talladega also is a challenging track for the engineers because of the high speeds and the banking.

The tubeless inner liner tire is used at all Winston Cup and Busch series races at tracks one mile or more in length. It also is mandatory at Bristol on the right side tire positions.

In an effort to streamline tire production and distribution, Goodyear reduced the number of tire codes used for Winston Cup, Busch and Craftsman Truck from 38 in 2000 to about 15 in 2001.

Race tires can use up to 10 types of processing oils that give these tires their grip, longevity, ability to generate and handle heat. Passenger car tires generally rely on half that many oils.