Clary's 10/15/05 Race Opinions (With Poll)

[Racerchaser]

:icon_badi:mad::ThumbsDow THE RACES WHERE WAY TO LOOOONG FOR US THAT HAVE TO TRAVEL SO FAR FOR THE SHOW.I AM NOT ONLY SPEAKING FOR MYSELF BUT OTHER PEOPLE THAT I HAVE TALKED TO AND THE POST I HAVE SEEN ON THIS SITE.PLEASE TELL JC TO GIVE IT SOME CONSIDERATION ABOUT SHORTING THE SHOW TO YOUR TOP 3 CLASSES AND I MEAN NO DISRESPECT TO THE OTHER 4 BUT THAT IS A MESS OF RACING TO DO IN ONE NIGHT.....

[Hollowell]

that or either make the East Coast Clash a TWO DAY EVENT.

[sthomas7017]

Please don't cut the other classes because we travel far also and we have 2 different classes we race in and it would be a real disappointment for us to travel that far for only 1 car or no cars to race. Please just consider starting the show a little earlier from what I saw Saturday most cars were there by 4:30 or 5:00. Saturday is supposed to be points recognition night also, how would it be fair to drop those classes on a night they get recognized for being their consistently enough to get the top 3 in points? Once again don't drop any classes just please start earlier because getting home at 4:15 in the morning is kinda rough on the people that go to church on Sunday morning.
Thank you!

[Dirtslinger319]

make it a two day show. Run three classes Friday and 4 classes Saturday.

[sthomas7017]

Bad idea some people work it is hard enough driving that far one night but 2 nights. Please just start earlier Saturday.

[RaceJunkie]

Everyone knows opinions are like :mooners: everyone has one. So lets hear yours. Good or bad I am sure Marcia wants to know what the fans want. I have seen posts both negative and positive on here and other boards. So to eliminate all the differnt threads. If you have an opinion post it here.

I also added a Poll to help out. If anything needs to be added let me know.

You may choose more than one choice

Racechaser I merged your thread here and put up the poll

[#14 Ford]

Qualify Late models first. Then let all other classes run heat races. Next run the 2 consy races for the Late Models. Have the intermission for prayer and the anthem. Run the top 8 qualifier race. Run 2 classes of cars for the main. Then, run the Late Model main feature and if any other classes race, run their race. This is the way some of the other racetracks run a big event and it seems to work well most times.

[racer15]

Hot laps at 4:00 to 5:00. Driver's meeting at 5:30 till. Late comers hot lap 15 min. Start qualifing.Qualify SLM,LLM,SS.Heat race the other classes.Intermistion 15min. During Inter. give out awards.Now during the race when there is a wreck STOP,STOP, STOP ALL CARS ON THE BACK STRECH & LINE THEM UP(If they need to go to the pit's they can) while they clear the track.Don't let them start going around the track untill it is race ready.Then give them 2 lap's & LET'S GO RACING!!!

[sthomas7017]

I agree Please consider Racer15

[Wilder4Racin]

I think you should start the show around noon.... that will give plenty time to get things in . Run all classes to be fair to everyone, just start around noon with the drivers meeting. I am sure not everyone will agree, but my opinion.

[Hollowell]

don't start it eailer just run a two day event. run the hot laps and quailfy on friday and then on saturday run hot laps then each classes feature. have the drivers meeting both days and run a practice on thursday too.

[sthomas7017]

That is way to much to ask of the drivers and fans

[Dirtguru]

Wish they would just add 5 to 10 laps per race (except the SLM's) and let them draw for features instead of Qualifying. Also run the SLM's earlier. Most people who drive long distances from the track come to see the SLM's run and it would help them get home earlier.I think Qualifying too many divisions takes away from the racing and also takes up too much time.

[jhofficial]

First it is to late to run a two day show now. You need to start a little earlier but not to soon. If you think the track went away and was dusty just think if it gets over 75 degrees this sat it will go away much quicker. So have the drivers role the track in at515to540 drivers meeting545-600, then just as soon as meeting is over cars better be on the track for hot laps or they dont get any, have a seperate drivers meeting for the slm. Let them know there line ups and races could be called at anytime that way if there are problems in other classes move the ones up that the fans drove along way to see. before I get bashed for not giving the support classes respect i was there untill frank munn finshed his interview. But most of the people in the grandstand drove and paid hotel bills to see one thing, so for everone to have a great track here in the middle of nowhere they need to keep them happy and coming back. I not sure to what to do about time trails. i do know that every class but the slm need only one lap. Heats sometimes can be quicker, but you also run the risk of wrecks and then these can be drawn out to long. it would help if the annoucers could do a better job of calling the next class sooner and more often to the staging grid, lets get em lined up ready to go. Down time is gonna happen durning a race, so if you have some give aways ready, maybe have a kids meeting(I can bring some candy anyone else want to bring some) If something is going on other than hearing slick talking and rambling about the 50's and 60's people wouldnt even notice how much time things were taking. Marcia PLEASE BUY YOUR FLAGMAN SOME GOOGES LOL. It would also save some time when the line up is right before the leader is coming out of two turn the light off and lets go. I guess my main thought is you dont have to stick to the running order as posted. For the sake of your front gate get the late models on the track as quick and often as possible. A race is a flowing event, you have to remain flexible and flow with it. Now with all that said dayum what a night, is it friday yet? lol

[Flames2477]

The race should start earlier in the day. They should heat race the support classes. Qualifying each class is too boring and takes too long. Qualify Late Models only or them and one other class like you do each week. Intermission should be a lot shorter. When the awards are given out for the points it should be organized and ran smoothly. There shouldn't be a gang of people gathered around and others can't see what's going on with the points awards. Any giveaways should be given out throughtout the race night. I never saw anything given away the other night. People should not stand in front where its roped off between the drinking section and the concession stand. They need to back up some. Lots of people can't see especially when so many gather around in front. We pay our money just like they do and should see all of the races. I don't think any classes should be left out. I think all should race but just START EARLIER and DON'T QUALIFY EVERYONE!!! I think maybe the driver's meeting should be at 4:30pm and then start right after that's over. I don't think there should be a two night event. There are too many people that come far off to go there and that's just too much on them.

[greenejo]

I left the track at 3:00am and there were still 3 classes left. Way too long of a night. Everyone around me in the stands were upset of time trialing the entire field. I explained to them about the time of running long with wrecks and such during heat races. However, we arrived at 3:30pm and the fans will come at whatever time you tell them to. I think you need to just start earlier (WAY EARLIER). Starting the actual racing at midnight is way to late. Several people have made the comment, they would not come back this weekend because of the time delays last weekend. I want to see your track excel way past any other track around. Please don't end up being a Wayne County. The fans and cars will do as you say. You are the one holding the money.

[baltimore]

Well I drove 4 hrs one way to clarys for the first time this weekend and don't plain on coming back! When you leave at after 2 in the morning fuel stop and the anouncers telling you 3 features left something isn't right. It wasn't a bad little track but when you can't stay a wake to see the slm that you payed 30.00 for run them first :wink2:. I seen people leaving at 12:00 ! They should of advertised it as a 2 day show [which was how long I was there ]and I wouldn't feel so bad about blowin 30.00 bucks + gas and seen all of the slm feature.

[Diane48]

I think that they should start earlier and also do NOT qualify every class!
And please STOP those guys from standing up in front of the bleachers between the drinking section and flag stand! Us ladies can't see.
THANKS!

[Racerchaser]

FRIST: AND MOST IMPORTANT,I WOULD NOT START MUCH EARLIER BECAUSE OF THE DUST YOU WILL RUN INTO ON A DAY SHOW.
SECOND: I WOULD ONLY TIME THE SUPER LATE MODELS 2 LAPS, AND THE SUPER STREETS GET 1 TIMED LAP.YOU ONLY HAD 12 CARS SATURDAY.
THIRD: I WOULD HEAT RACE MY PURE STOCKS.YOU HAD 20 CARS SATURDAY THAT MAKES FOR 2 HEATS OF 10 EACH,IF MORE SHOW UP THEN YOU CAN GO TO 3 HEATS WITH 7-8 ect. PER HEAT.
FORTH: I WOULD PUT ALL THE 4 CYLINDER IN ONE HEAT,RUN IT.THEN I WOULD DRAW FOR THE FEATURE.IF MORE SHOW UP GO TO 2 HEAT RACES.
FIFTH: I WOULD RUN 2 HEATS FOR THE SUPER STOCK .YOU HAD 16 CARS.
SIXTH: FOR THE JUNKYARD,I WOULD DO THE SAME AS THE 4 CYLINDERS.1 HEAT AND DRAW FOR THE FEATURE.YOU HAD 11 CARS.
SEVENTH:I WOULD RUN MY TOP 3 CLASSES FIRST.AFTER INTERMISSION RUN THE SUPER STREET FEATURE FIRST,THEN THE SUPER LATE MODEL FEATURE THEN THE PURE STOCK,SUPER STOCK 4 CLINDERS,JUNKYARD.
EIGHTH: I WOULD HOLD MY INTERMISSION TO THE BARE MINIMUM.IF THEY WANT A HOT DOG AND SODA THEY WILL FIND TIME TO GET IT.
NINE:AS WE ALL KNOW,YOU NEED THE COOPERATATION OF ALL THE DRIVERS AND EVERYONE THAT IS INVOLVED IN THE EVENT.
TEN: LOTS OF LUCK........... JMT.:thankyou2:VeryHappy

[Hollowell]

jh you have a good point about be to late to advertise a two day event(i should have thought harder). PLEASE DON'T RUN THE LATE MODELS FIRST cause then the track will be sooooo tore up that none of the support classes will be able to run without bending something. everyone should qualify cause that will put the fast cars up front and maybe a better show and also if you qualify you should get two laps. have the wreckers sitting in the infield like i saw them a couple of times. have the drivers meeting at like 3pm or 4pm maybe and run hotlaps right after that then qualify and then intermission for the points adwards then run the features. When the caution comes out have all the cars stop on the backstrech and then when the wreck is cleared, get the corner marshall to line them back up like they are suppose to be. please marcia this saturday please don't forget to turn the heat on. :VeryHappy LOL

[Redclay Rebel]

I think they should do like the big time dirt tracks do and just not run all the classes! SLM and then 3 classes with good car counts. Why not do the hot lap time trial things some tracks do? Cut the intermission! Go strait from the last heat or qualifing lap to the prayer and national anthem then go racing.

[Dirtguru]

I know it would be nice for all classes to run, but if it takes until 4am or later something that you might want to consider other than just the fans being kept up all night, also it may be keeping the neighbors awake all night. My Parents live aprox. 2 miles from a race track and on some nights they say it sounds like the cars are right outside their front door. Though they never complain, I would wonder if other neighbors complained enough to the county commissioners it might cause an ordinance to be placed that will force the track to stop at a certain time. Even so it might be a good idea to put a time limit on races so they don't run all night. Just something you might want to consider.

[Lucky13]

I agree Redclay! As for lining up under caution. I have seen at other tracks someone on a four wheeler with a headset on and as soon as the caution came out he would pick up the leader and slowly drift back getting them lined up in the right position. Just an idea. Had a great time though, even if I did'nt make it to the end.


I think they should do like the big time dirt tracks do and just not run all the classes! SLM and then 3 classes with good car counts. Why not do the hot lap time trial things some tracks do? Cut the intermission! Go strait from the last heat or qualifing lap to the prayer and national anthem then go racing.

[baddog]

MARCIA, YOU'VE ALL DONE A GREAT JOB THIS YEAR, WE'VE ENJOYED THE RACES. AS FOR IDEAS FOR IMPROVEMENT, SEEMS THERE WERE SEVERAL THINGS THAT IF DONE EFFICIANTLY COULD SPEED THINGS UP. WHEN A WRECK HAPPENS, THE WRECKER DRIVERS ONLY HAVE THREE CHOICES: PICK THE CAR UP BY FRONT, BY BACK, OR PUSH IT (IN MOST CASES). SO WHY DOES IT TAKE SO LONG TO GET A CAR OFF THE TRACK? WE SAW SEVERAL TIMES WHEN IT TOOK 5-10 YELLOW LAPS TO GET THE CARS OFF THE TRACK, THEN THE FOUR WHEELER CAME OUT FOR DEBRIS-- ANOTHER COUPLE LAPS, THEN 5 MORE LAPS TO GET CARS LINED UP. CAN'T ALL THIS BE DONE AT THE SAME TIME AND THEY COULD BE BACK GREEN IN JUST A COUPLE LAPS? WE WERE ALSO DISSAPOINTED TO SEE SOME GOOD CARS NOT TRANSFER FROM THE CONCI. SOME HAD TO STOP ON TRACK TO AVOID A WRECK IN FRONT OF THEM, IS FAIR TO PUT THEM IN THE BACK. i THINK THIS CAUSES DRIVERS TO NOT WANT TO STOP TO AVOID A WRECK BUT TO PLOW THROUGH OR OVER CARS TO TRY TO KEEP THEIR POSITION. I FEAR THAT SOME GOOD CARS WILL NOT RETURN BECAUSE THEY MISSED THE FEATURE DUE TO AVOIDING A WRECK IN FRONT OF THEM.
NEXT WEEK, HAVE YOU CONSIDERED STARTING EARLIER AND GETTING CARS QUALIFIED BY 7:00 INSTEAD OF 10:00?
JUST MY OPINION AND IF THE RACE GOES TO 4:00 NEXT WEEK, WE'LL BE THERE(BUT HOPE IT DOESN'T).
P.S. HOW ABOUT SOME REAL COFFEE INSTEAD OF INSTANT IN THE CONCESSION STAND?

[Dirtfan_21]

Well I think you should either start earlier or make it a two-day event.

[Brett]

Since most drivers and fans are going to arrive early anyway, qualify them in the morning, take a little break maybe for practice or to prepare the track. Then start the races around 4 or 5. That way those who don't like watching them qualify, can show up around 4 and doesn't have to wait for the races to get started. And those who do like to watch them qualify, can show up early. Open the gates when they begin to qualify.

[77v8stock]

eliminate qualifying for all support classes. Line em up with the # they drew when signing up.

Start qualifying late models at 4 pm drivers meeting at 5pm or when slm finish qualifying.

start feature races at 6pm

Have an open practice from noon til qualifying. Those that need it will be there. those familiar with track probably didnt need it anyways and eliminate the hot laps.

Any driver not there on time starts at the rear.

If feature races start at 6pm , all should be done by midnight without cutting any laps from any class.

thats my $0.02

77ministock

[KevinF]

Here's my quick two cents. I don't think you can start much earlier because you'll end up with really bad track conditions. You can make it a two day show and run all divisions or you can split the support divisons over the two Saturdays.

The only way I think you can maintain good track conditions and run all the support divisions and have a chance to end at a half decent time would be to have the support divisions draw for starting position. IMHO

I must say that the racing was great and I applaude the management for trying to please everyone by running a one-day show while including all the support divisions that have supported the track all year long. I also appreciate the fact that they realize they need to end earlier and are being proactive about getting our opinions on a solution. :thankyou2

[Photo Man]

Jh, since you wrote a book I will try and keep it short. Starting a littler earlier seems to be the answer. Three hours earlier sure would have been better than the 4AM. all but SLM should as soon as you get to track get a few hot laps and qualify as you get to track. Drivers meeting not sure never to much different each week, but have it and make it short if you have it. by that time all other classes should have qualified. Give SLM hot laps and then straight into qualifying. If you have 43 cars again that should take you to 7:30 or 8. time for intermition and track awards. Have table, awards and drivers ready when the last SLM goes off the track...Features starting after awards. No later than 8:30pm .. maybe first division then back to the consi giving the non qualifiers a few min to re-ajust their cars. then the dash and back to the next couple divisions then the 75 SLM then the remaining features... then:party5: because it is not 4AM yet. It was a GREAT night of racing and the fan and drivers support was awsome... I know it was late, but if you came expecting it to end before 12 pm you just wont understand racing..... Even NASCAR goes into am.. But this was to much overboard I agree....Just remember it was over 125 cars in all at CLARY's..... jh were you able to eat anything since Matt spent all your money.....:VeryHappy :allhail: :Tomcat:

[jhofficial]

all i can afford now is a peanut butter sandwhich no jelly lol

[Redclay Rebel]

Any other weekend I'd agree with starting earlier, but this weekend I don't have any idea what time I'll get there and spending $30 on the ticket I want to watch everything, including the water truck watering the track.
We might not have to worry about it anyways. I saw where the forcast is calling for rain on Saturday.

[Marcia Reed]

i got a jar of apple jelly and one grape, you want them lol

[jhofficial]

Thanks but i think i will be ok just gots to drink lots of milk to get em down lol

[CHansen]

It sure is easy to be a race promoter or race director from the sidelines. I was not at Clary's show on Saturday, but I have been at or have been involved with a few shows that ran way in to the AM. Two years ago at Modoc S.C. we watched the sunrise as the checkerd flag flew on the main event.

Im sure that J.C. and Marcia have replayed the nights events a thousand times in their heads, and will make the changes that they see necessary to make this Saturday's show a success.


Charlie Hansen

[fan of 8-3]

Marcia, I don't think cutting the other classes would be a good idea. Yeah, this is a big show for the slms but some people don't come out for just that. I don't. I think the race should start earlier and everything will end earlier and everyone should be happy. ( Not everyone) There is always someone complaining about something. Just don't cut the other classes, I think that will hurt the # of people that show up!!! I like watching the other guys, even though they never get a chance at a big show!!!

[step-on]

trials for slm is a good thing everyone seems to be very interested in the speed I guess,esp for a big show ,also the late model,,but to save time the other classes line up on pill draw, we come there to race when ever its possible,and like the wayyou do the time trials,most track don't even deal with them unless its a big show and the racers do work hard to get their cars togeather for every race..thanks for the good times we have had there this season and and allthe best to your uncle with his illness!! would love to be there for next race but tied up those dates ..but thanksgiving week would be great ,,we all have a few days off..Turkey Run races...:cool:

[baddog]

I think the foremat of taking 16 from qualifiing and running consi's is good but although we are talking of ways to speed things up, I don't think starting that many cars in a consi and only running ten laps is right. I saw several good cars that had to spin to avoid a wreck (did not cause nor where involved) that were sent to the back and had no chance in that short of a race. either make the consi longer, or run more races with fewer cars, or make a rule if you spin or stop to "avoid a wreck" not involved then you keep your position. when sending cars to the back that stop when a wreck happens in front of them you send the message that when there is wreck you better run through it or over it or loose your track position.........resulting in more torn up cars.

[Bubba0369]

:icon_beer Cheers to Jc and everyone else at Clarys althought it was long it was a great show! I see where they have put time limits on supporting classes to cut some time next go around!!:12Bang:

[T8J5]

YEP

[Racerchaser]

good looking car TOM