SS need to show up....

[dirtslider]

only 2 saturday night & one (#57) combined with 3 LM and did very well......the #75 did not race......this is sad.

[munch140]

And they complain about the purse. Get the car count up and stop complaining. Show your skills as a driver.

[RaceJunkie]

And they complain about the purse. Get the car count up and stop complaining. Show your skills as a driver.


Exactly..:smellie10:

[camlobe]

How many people on here actually own / race a car? All I hear is quit whinning and race.......well I do race at 311 but not for long with the new tire rule, sooooooo, I HAD a mind to run up there cause of the open tire rule half the season and WAS willing to get my motor teched but aint no way I can haul all the way up there for chump change......every track around pays somewhere between 300 to 500 in SS......they was paying 200 to 300 dollars 10 years ago.....if a track cant afford to pay the top class no more than 100 150 bucks they mines well shut down. Some people can afford to run every week for free but most cant......SUPPORT TRACKS MY ASS, SUPPORT THE ONES THAT PUTS BUTTS IN YOUR STANDS AND MAKE YOU MONEY SO THE TRACK DOES STAY OPEN AND FANS HAVE A PLACE TO GO AND HAVE FUN ON A WEEKEND AND SEE A GOOD RACE WITH MORE THAN 3 CARS. I say pay us guys decent money so we can afford to come back everyweek end so YOU will have a good show.......take care of the racers and they'll take care of you......BTW, nascar came up, how many cars would you see Sunday if nascar said boys, for the rest of the season we only gonna pay 10000 to win........huuummmmmmmmm.....same principal....

[outdoors2i]

Who can justify paying full purse to only 2 super streets? Nobody! If you guys wanted to race bring your cars and as the car count goes up so does the purse. I raced a super street at FMR from 92-98 and I never asked what the purse was. I raced because I love racing and was very fortunate that I was able to do so. When it got to the point it was no longer fun then we got out of it. And hey we won 5 races in 94 including the midseason championship race but never once did we ask what was the purse. If you people are in it for the money then you're in the wrong game. If you can't pay for gas then you need to stay home and watch boring Nascar used to racing.:muahaha:

[camlobe]

Like I said some can but most cant....purse otta be the same if its 1 car or 50.....David paid 1st place to a modified last year and he was the only one there......now thats only right.....if you say 300 to win it otta be 300 to win......Quote from Leroy Rumley prob 30 years ago....."when my car dont pay for itself and I gotta start taking money otta my pocket to race thats when I'll get out of it".....wont bother me a bit to leave mine on jackstands as bad as I wanna race....fun and racing is one thing money is another.....cant race for free man.....

[skinser11fan]

Like I said some can but most cant....purse otta be the same if its 1 car or 50.....David paid 1st place to a modified last year and he was the only one there......now thats only right.....if you say 300 to win it otta be 300 to win......Quote from Leroy Rumley prob 30 years ago....."when my car dont pay for itself and I gotta start taking money otta my pocket to race thats when I'll get out of it".....wont bother me a bit to leave mine on jackstands as bad as I wanna race....fun and racing is one thing money is another.....cant race for free man.....

:Guillotine_anim:David also didn't finish season, or reward his points champions. Nuf said.

[camlobe]

Neither did boobie at 311 but pays 300 to win and more than 2 cars runnin now what.....:Doh:

[RaceJunkie]

Where is David NOW?.. HE sure as heck ain't running no race track, he took what money he had left and locked the doors. SOB stills owes me money, So to compare What French is doing to David is just plain craaaaazy!!!

If you think for once that you are going to race and break even on your money then maybe the best place for your car is on jack stands.. Racing is like any other hobby, it's fun and it costs money to have fun.. Yes a hobby :arrow: :23mg:

[camlobe]

Lets see, Ive ran 3 races so far finished 2nd and 4th and a DNF, spend about $80 a race, won 250 spend out 240.....I guess with wear and tear and actual money Im about even......(just weekly spending) maybe out a litte but could afford to go back......

[RaceJunkie]

http://www.haolekid.com/Merchant2/graphics/00000002/No%20Cry%20Babies.gif

[jhofficial]

I have set back and read all these posts and havent said anything. But as everyone knows I have an opinion on everything. LOL Now heres some rules I think all race tracks should live by: 1st rule Every track should have their purse posted some where that the teams can see before they make it to the track. 2nd rule what is posted should be paid, no matter what, now if hardly any cars show and are willing that weekend to work with the promotor and come up with a soluation that is fair to the teams that did show and the track then thats great; if not the purse should be paid. 3rd rule the promotor needs to sit back and try and come up with a fair and balanced purse that he can livve with paying no matter how few cars show and at the same time making it a decent purse to encourge cars to show up. 4th rule is if the first 3 rules or met, then shut the !!!! up and make a decision: Can I run for that purse and not lose so much money that I have to put my car on jack stands, do I want to run for that purse even if it isnt great, to try and help support this track to get off the ground running? Once the purse is posted and gurannted then make your decision and quit bashing the track, either go or stay home, but dont try and ruin it for others who may want to go. But it does all start with the 1st rule.

[camlobe]

I agree 100%. I wouldnt mind going up there but not for no 100 bucks.....thats all I gotta say.....hey junkie, :havefun:

[durtyjohnny35]

http://www.haolekid.com/Merchant2/graphics/00000002/No%20Cry%20Babies.gif

Some pictures "are" worth a thousand words!

[Unregistered]

obviously there are quite a few that feel the same way about the pay out or there would be more than 2 cars showing up....i don't feel it's whining at all...even if it is a hobby, a hobby shouldn't break the bank...and if someone wants to run a track they should know they are going to have to pay out to make the drivers come.

[crewmembers461]

well if i wa a promotor and had like won the lottery i would be making local tracks arouond me either do 2 things shut down or stay with the purse i would be paying slm 5,000 a week to win and 450 to start and super street would be like 3000 to win and 350 to start

[jhofficial]

well if i wa a promotor and had like won the lottery i would be making local tracks arouond me either do 2 things shut down or stay with the purse i would be paying slm 5,000 a week to win and 450 to start and super street would be like 3000 to win and 350 to start

Yeah and you'd be right back broke again within a year:DontKnow:

[Racerchaser]

Theres One Thing About Racing I Learned A Long Time Ago......."money And Fools Soon Part Company"

[Racngal]

One thing that has been proven at OLR, FMR, Wythe and 311...money does NOT bring up the car count. There are so many things that play into it. However alot of tracks are running on a sliding pay scale any more...can't say I blame them...more cars that come...the more the purse is...but ya have to have a good race track...a good promoter...dedicated teams and fans...if all that works well, the teams will come...the fans will come...that gives the track an income to pay their teams more...

French has said it and when I worked for Fred Brown...he has said it...more cars that come...bigger the purse is...

Why is all the responsibility on the track itself...without the teams and fans it's NOTHING but property...think about it...if only 30 people went to McDonalds a week, do you think it would remain open all week? Ummm, nope! It takes the track, the owners, the teams and the fans to make it all work...everybody complains but nobody does anything but complain...work with your tracks...talk to the owners...see what you can do to put people in the grandstands...encourage other teams to participate...just try it...you just might be pleased with the outcome...but one thing for sure is this...if something doesn't change...where oh where will you race? Think the payout is nothing now? Gas $3 and $6 bux a gallon...imagine driving 2 or more hours to a track both ways...SUPPORT YOUR TRACKS...you want racing at your back door, help keep it there...

Remember...without the tracks...no place to race...without the teams there is no race track...without the fans ya won't have a race track or the race teams...so...ask yourself...WHAT ARE YOU WILLING TO DO TO SUPPORT A RACE TRACK....A HOBBY THAT YOU HAVE INVESTED THOUSANDS INTO...YA MIGHT BE SURPRISED HOW MUCH YOUR RACE TRACK WILL RESPOND TO YOU IN A POSITIVE WAY...IF YOU'RE PART OF THE TEAM!!!!

By the way...this is all my opinion

[RaceJunkie]

By the way...this is all my opinion


A a damn good one too.. :1stplace2:

[durtyjohnny35]

Very true Racngal. But sadly enough "they" just don't get it. It will dawn on them one day when they are crying about towing all over just to run. French took on a card filler at most tracks, and wanted to make them the top division at FMR. They could have grown with the track, and been the weekly headliner on the card, but rules, and enforcement of the rules kept all the cheaters away. Now we are faced with the reality of "money" or the lack of. And the reality of another local track closing, because some drivers have an inflated worth. Remember that as you drive an extra hour or two just to be the also ran on the race card. Oh, and less tracks equals less bargaining power, and less money in your pockets when the one and only promoter says take it or leave it boys. Your choice! Your track!

[mike69]

Very true Racngal. But sadly enough "they" just don't get it. It will dawn on them one day when they are crying about towing all over just to run. French took on a card filler at most tracks, and wanted to make them the top division at FMR. They could have grown with the track, and been the weekly headliner on the card, but rules, and enforcement of the rules kept all the cheaters away. Now we are faced with the reality of "money" or the lack of. And the reality of another local track closing, because some drivers have an inflated worth. Remember that as you drive an extra hour or two just to be the also ran on the race card. Oh, and less tracks equals less bargaining power, and less money in your pockets when the one and only promoter says take it or leave it boys. Your choice! Your track!


i'm really not trying to stir up anything but if FMR closes its one person and one person alones fault...... i would much rather go to fmr to watch a race but now i just have to ride right on by on my way to 311. and personally i always thought the racing was better at FMR than 311. but no late models and 2 or 3 super streets ain't my idea of a good race.

and those 305 sprints are as much fun to watch as grass coming up out of the ground...... and just for fun cut the purse in that to $70 and see who shows up.

you guys can say what you want about the racers needing to support the track but when a man pays you $70 to win a race thats like kick in the teeth. and nobody in their right mind would race for that.... when i was drag racing even most lower classes payed at least $750. i could not even imagine racing for $75. granted there was a $40 entry fee but still if you went 3 rounds you at least got your money back.

[bigkid]

It is so easy to tell everybody else what they should do with there racecar. Maybe some of you should practice what you preach, take your car. And if you say you don't have one, then you should even be in this discussion.

I agree Mike......

[tim wadd]

How many people on here actually own / race a car? All I hear is quit whinning and race.......well I do race at 311 but not for long with the new tire rule, sooooooo, I HAD a mind to run up there cause of the open tire rule half the season and WAS willing to get my motor teched but aint no way I can haul all the way up there for chump change......every track around pays somewhere between 300 to 500 in SS......they was paying 200 to 300 dollars 10 years ago.....if a track cant afford to pay the top class no more than 100 150 bucks they mines well shut down. Some people can afford to run every week for free but most cant......SUPPORT TRACKS MY ASS, SUPPORT THE ONES THAT PUTS BUTTS IN YOUR STANDS AND MAKE YOU MONEY SO THE TRACK DOES STAY OPEN AND FANS HAVE A PLACE TO GO AND HAVE FUN ON A WEEKEND AND SEE A GOOD RACE WITH MORE THAN 3 CARS. I say pay us guys decent money so we can afford to come back everyweek end so YOU will have a good show.......take care of the racers and they'll take care of you......BTW, nascar came up, how many cars would you see Sunday if nascar said boys, for the rest of the season we only gonna pay 10000 to win........huuummmmmmmmm.....same principal....
Cam I don't know but its my opinion if god would open a track you wouldn't be happy If its not tires its pay so if ya go to another track what ya goona do because youre engine placement is wrong or another driver calls you a bad name are you gonna get mad and not go there?? If the drivers will come together with FRENCH I'm sure he WILL remember who helped him and I'm not saying he would show favortism, but I'm 100% sure when he's up and running well he will make things alot better!!! Also I'd be willing to bet if he couldn't pay the Va. sprints 50.00 bucks they will still support him because they know he's a man of his word!! Yes I know he is cause Ive seen him in action!!! Also people can't blame French for what some other :smiley_601: Shi# Head has done!! If ya don't want to race there don't but don't make him out to be an a** either.

[Racngal]

Ok...if the fans are not there and the car count is low, where does the money suppose to come from to pay the purse? Ok, if you say the owner...how many weeks do you think an owner can pull money out of his own pocket to pay out to a business that is NOT supporting itself?

NASCAR was mentioned...how much do those teams depend on their winnings? While it is important, it's only a fraction to what is needed to support a NASCAR team...their life line is sponsorships and souviner sales. Hmmm...is there a secret NASCAR forum where these guys go to complain about the NASCAR purse I wonder? hmmmm

And I use to be one also that would say...take care of the racer and the racer will take care of you...Wythe Raceway is a perfect example of the fact that money is not what puts the teams in the pits and the fans in the stands...Wythe Raceway is an AWESOME TRACK IN EVERY ASPECT!!! But go to Wythe Raceway...the attitude is different there...people help...people volunteer...the people there will work and fight to keep the doors open at Wythe Raceway...and personally as a race team owner...the condition of the track...how I'm treated and how fair the track is means more to me than a check...because if none of that is any good, who cares what they pay? Because if none of that is any good, the complaint would be...the purse is ok but I destroy more stuff that cost more money, and takes more time to fix and then...we need more purse money...back to square 1....

But we can all huff and puff and complain...and if the way things are continue...it all will get worse...and that my friend is a fact too!

I love racing and I personally appreciate that we have so many local race tracks to choose from...just think if there was no race tracks around...nothing to do on a friday or saturday...I think we would all go insane!!!! I know I would because no racing in the winter time is bad enough for me...hehehe

We all want more...that's a fact...but we have to help the tracks get to that point where they can afford it!!!!!

Another thing...you think owning a racecar is expensive? Own a race track.

[RaceJunkie]

NASCAR was mentioned...how much do those teams depend on their winnings? While it is important, it's only a fraction to what is needed to support a NASCAR team...their life line is sponsorships and souviner sales. Hmmm...is there a secret NASCAR forum where these guys go to complain about the NASCAR purse I wonder? hmmmm

Good point, 20 million is what it takes to run a Nascar team, ain't no way a team can survive on what Nascar pays on finishing a race..


If your here just to complain about the purse then, I guess French is not doing all that bad, so if yo want to see FMR remain open the rest of the year you need to support the track make some sacrifices he did.. :blue13:

[Badboyz21]

What nite do they race on up there? I dont even know that anymore.
Us card fillers cant get big time sponsors niether. I raced there once last year, but was in the stands everyweek. It was fun. Its a long haul for us. So if they race same nite as 311, which one would i goto? Any ways, I was told i would either have to pull my engine out, or tow it all up there to be tech'd. Lotta work for 15 minutes of fun. If he could do it before a race, that might be better. But i am with camlobe, once the goob running 311 switched the tire rule, i will probably be outa there also.

[RaceJunkie]

What nite do they race on up there? I dont even know that anymore.
Us card fillers cant get big time sponsors niether. I raced there once last year, but was in the stands everyweek. It was fun. Its a long haul for us. So if they race same nite as 311, which one would i goto? Any ways, I was told i would either have to pull my engine out, or tow it all up there to be tech'd. Lotta work for 15 minutes of fun. If he could do it before a race, that might be better. But i am with camlobe, once the goob running 311 switched the tire rule, i will probably be outa there also.

French will tech cars on any given day and on race day if it is early enough.. All you need to do is give him a call.

http://www.forkmountainraceway.com/

[Badboyz21]

10-4 ....... it maybe be a option in a few weeks.

[outdoors2i]

Hey Badboyz you don't have to pull your motor to have it teched. French can do it in the race car. Only takes about 20 minutes.:icon_rifle:

[dirtslider]

well, it was $8.00 , i see it's $12.00 this week....

hopefully the fans can jack up the purse for the drivers...

I don't mind...

[mike69]

its $12 because the sprints are there..... gotta make sure theres enough money to pay them their purse.

[dirtslider]

yea, i guess so...

are you gonna be there?

[mike69]

no.... like i said before those 305s are as much fun to watch as grass growin'. and i sure wouldn't pay $24 to see them!

[GoodOlBoysRacin]

He needs more cars for more fans, and race on friday nights. I liked David better, than French, he didn't get angry everytime you said something.

[wesleycogdell]

you say the 305's arent fun to watch. we had them down last weekend at clr and they put on a darn good show. side by side most of the race. everyone was racing. but maybe its the size of the track

[dirtslider]

The 305's put on a great show, you just have to keep your eye on them to know who is leading..

[Unregistered]

The 305's put on a great show, you just have to keep your eye on them to know who is leading..
Yes, action is a little too fast for some people to follow, but you can't take your eyes off that grass you're watching grow. Just admit you don't like change, and maybe an owner that has a backbone. You folks missed a great show with lots of action in all divisions. But sure you would have found something to gripe about even if French gave you a free pass, and a hot dog, and drink.

[Lightspeed]

its a good thing to know that all you guys THINK you can fix everything by running friday nights and getting rid of the sprinters(mike69) cause i was gettin worried.

Why don't you guys worry about you! Need i remind you a lot of work and money went into this track over the offseason just to get it open. Let me tell ya....I've seen better racing @ Fork Mountain than at most of the dirt tracks I've been to including...the old "joke" level

[dirtslider]

But you have not seen MORE cars at Fork Mountain than at Oak Level...heeheee

[durtyjohnny35]

its $12 because the sprints are there..... gotta make sure theres enough money to pay them their purse.
OH! Darn, and I thought it was because he can't continue to pay out of his own pocket every week, because he knows how tough it is for people to make ends meet he tried to keep the admission low. But you have figured it out... it's those sprint cars! Boy, how simple is that? You really don't have a clue.

[mike69]

OH! Darn, and I thought it was because he can't continue to pay out of his own pocket every week, because he knows how tough it is for people to make ends meet he tried to keep the admission low. But you have figured it out... it's those sprint cars! Boy, how simple is that? You really don't have a clue.

your first post here and your already gettin' snotty......... what are you french's best friend or something? i'm so sorry if i offended anyone.

btw, how many super streets were there saturday?

[mike69]

its a good thing to know that all you guys THINK you can fix everything by running friday nights and getting rid of the sprinters(mike69) cause i was gettin worried.

Why don't you guys worry about you! Need i remind you a lot of work and money went into this track over the offseason just to get it open. Let me tell ya....I've seen better racing @ Fork Mountain than at most of the dirt tracks I've been to including...the old "joke" level

you just keep going there because with your buddy french in charge it will be gone right before your eyes............. poof:havefun:

like what was said before may be better racin' but there sure are a lot less cars....... now whose fault is that..............?

[dirtslider]

your first post here and your already gettin' snotty......... what are you french's best friend or something? i'm so sorry if i offended anyone.

btw, how many super streets were there saturday?



4 SS were there, one (#23) blew a motor , the # 2 started the race and lost power early but did finish hugging the inside wall out of the way....#75 won with #57 close behind....This class was not very exciting this week & continues to struggle.

[PapaSmurf]

So I guess things at the track are going well then, huh...... lol......

[Unregistered]

you just keep going there because with your buddy french in charge it will be gone right before your eyes............. poof:havefun:

like what was said before may be better racin' but there sure are a lot less cars....... now whose fault is that..............?

Let me correct this....................gone before YOUR eyes, the sprints will always have a place to race. We are a traveling series...hence a little larger purse to at least cover the cost of a minimum 3 and a half hour drive to fork mountain

[durtyjohnny35]

you just keep going there because with your buddy french in charge it will be gone right before your eyes............. poof:havefun:

like what was said before may be better racin' but there sure are a lot less cars....... now whose fault is that..............?
So because you have a personal problem with French you feel everyone else should have to hear about it? You have said several times you don't go there, and choose to go to 311. That is your choice, and I respect that, but there are people who enjoy the Fork Mountain races. There are people who believe in what French is trying to do. There are people who realize it may take a while to get this track up, and running. Why pound the man down, because he believes everyone who wants to race should have an opportunity, and a place to do that. And he believes that racing should not only be competitive, but fun, and not dominated by the few rich folks that buy their wins with ultra expensive rides. Let the fans, and drivers enjoy their local track. You go where you want to, and enjoy yourself. That's what it's all about. ENJOYING THE RACES...:shake:

[mike69]

johnny35,

i just hate to see my favorite race track ruined by someone that doesn't know what he's doing.... either that or doesn't care about the track.

i go back to what others have said here its going to be a car club... i mean the next race is the vss race. i don't think he ever thought it would work, it will be a place for french and his buddies to play. on saturday nights.

from what i've seen hes done everything he can to ensure the track fails! not racing on fridays and no late models.... that just insane tells me hes content to let it go down the tubes.

[tim wadd]

johnny35,

i just hate to see my favorite race track ruined by someone that doesn't know what he's doing.... either that or doesn't care about the track.

i go back to what others have said here its going to be a car club... i mean the next race is the vss race. i don't think he ever thought it would work, it will be a place for french and his buddies to play. on saturday nights.

from what i've seen hes done everything he can to ensure the track fails! not racing on fridays and no late models.... that just insane tells me hes content to let it go down the tubes.
Mike 69 you hate to see your favorite track go down the tubes( DUH ) All Ive heard you do is piss and moan about French!! If ya don't like him stay the hell away from him and his property it's that simple. If you really concerned about Fork Mtn. then quit pissing and whining and get something positive on the agenda!! It's not hard to do I bet if you try you can see a difference at the track already!! You can actually see the cars now and not just a pile of dust unlike last year!!! We all have our opinions about the different tracks and this is a place to adress ourselves but Damn you make French out to be some kind of monster, and I know for fact he's not!! Oh by the way if you have part in anyother track I hope you don't get upset with anyone there if you do hell they might as well shut the gates cause you are a one man wrecking crew!!! And of course thats just my opinion, But I would venture others probabally agree with my opinions??? :YesNo:

[mike69]

i have no part in any track and i have taken up for track owners a lot of times on this board.. and maybe i have been a little harsh about fmr, but its only because i really like the track and hate to see it become a car club.

its a really good track but you just can't do the things that have been done there and expect to be a success. now i gotta drive twice as far to see a good race.

and its not really all that good 6 or 8 steel heads at olr were better than a slm race at 311. imho now all you get is 2 or 3 super streets and 305 sprints. not exactly crowd pleasers.

iv'e had all i have to say about this and if fmr does turn out to be a success i will be the first one to come on this board and eat crow!

[tim wadd]

i have no part in any track and i have taken up for track owners a lot of times on this board.. and maybe i have been a little harsh about fmr, but its only because i really like the track and hate to see it become a car club.

its a really good track but you just can't do the things that have been done there and expect to be a success. now i gotta drive twice as far to see a good race.

and its not really all that good 6 or 8 steel heads at olr were better than a slm race at 311. imho now all you get is 2 or 3 super streets and 305 sprints. not exactly crowd pleasers.
Mike let me give you a good example of working with a track owner, Not so long ago Fred Brown at Wythe Raceway his main event every week was full bodied cars just like the super streets, He paid 400.00 to win and for years the fans just kept coming and the car counts kept growing and now look at what he has!!!! The car counts are well over 100 every week not just at big shows, if he would have tried to do more than that in the early 80's I promise you he would't be where he's at today. Honestly ya got to walk before you can run!!! I beg you if everyone down there will stick together and support French say 5 weeks in a row I guarantee you will see monster changes in the payouts, fan attendance, and just a better place to be involved with!! Mike I love going to The now Fork Mtn. they have had some great racing there and if everyone will stick with the track a little while it pay dividens, just try it and you can say in the not so distant future we have a showplace to race at call FORK MOUNTAIN!!!!!!!!!

[durtyjohnny35]

johnny35,

i just hate to see my favorite race track ruined by someone that doesn't know what he's doing.... either that or doesn't care about the track.

i go back to what others have said here its going to be a car club... i mean the next race is the vss race. i don't think he ever thought it would work, it will be a place for french and his buddies to play. on saturday nights.

from what i've seen hes done everything he can to ensure the track fails! not racing on fridays and no late models.... that just insane tells me hes content to let it go down the tubes.
Well mike69. It would be hard for me to believe that French doesn't care about the track or it's future. He dropped a boatload of money on the place, and has spent countless hours working to make it a good place to run. And he has spent many hours meeting, and talking with the folks that want to race there. He has a huge interest in the tracks future I would say. The biggest change I keep hearing is the Friday night deal. Isn't it because no one else is running on Friday night? Why? Because Fridays are not a good night for racers, fans, and families to load up, and rush out to the races. The last promoter couldn't make a go of it on Fridays, and he also ran late models I believe.

[PapaSmurf]

No doubt he has a lot of money tied up in the race track, but a lot of drivers at Oak Level last year ran at the other surrounding tracks on Saturday night. Oak level was sort of a home away from home so to speak. That gave them an extra night of racing. They now have to choose which track to race at. If you're racing for points, you cant dance from track to track every week. So this year on saturdays they run at their home track. You may not think that running on Saturdays has hurt the track, but I think the car turnout should speak for itself.