super street

[camlobe]

What did he ever decide the payout gonna be....

[LCRFORD]

Probably depends on car count.

[mafia racing]

250 to win if there is atleast 8 cars.lets support french and get some cars and fans up to fork mountain raceway.the track is in awesome shape and should make for some exciting racing....

[wowers]

NO J-bars

Keeps me from running. IF that would change would like to try the track out

[camlobe]

Heard some ill people over the payout........

[FF_21]

250 to win if there is atleast 8 cars.lets support french and get some cars and fans up to fork mountain raceway.the track is in awesome shape and should make for some exciting racing....

Support French?Looks to me that French should support the racers a little.Looks like French needs to support the people that will be bringing in the money a little better than $250 to win.Whats 2nd or 3rd pay....$100 for 2nd and $50 for 3rd or less?

Welcome to Fork Mountain Car Club!!

[RaceJunkie]

Support French?Looks to me that French should support the racers a little.Looks like French needs to support the people that will be bringing in the money a little better than $250 to win.Whats 2nd or 3rd pay....$100 for 2nd and $50 for 3rd or less?

Welcome to Fork Mountain Car Club!!


Easy said when your not the one that has spent THOUSANDS of dollars just to get the track in good enough shape to run on.. All the man is asking for is support... The more cars the more the purse will go up.. Show the man some appreciation for his efforts to even get the place open for everyone to enjoy.. You see where the last owners left you, no points, no trophies, they did not even patt you on the back and say thanks for coming, they just shut the damn place down.. You won't get that kind of treatment from French Grimes, you respect him he will return the favor bet your ass on that..

I'm sure you have somewhere else to race so that will be fine too...:secret:



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[mike69]

junkie

as i think you know i am the first to take up for track owners but $250.00 ain't much to race for.

his total purse for all classes couldn't be over $2000 and if my maths right he only needs 250 people to cover that.

i mean if SS is going to be your top division the payout to win should be more than $250

but like you said there are other places to go and WATCH a race.:Ignor:

i hope i does work out for him though thats a good track to watch a race.

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[RaceJunkie]

junkie

as i think you know i am the first to take up for track owners but $250.00 ain't much to race for.

his total purse for all classes couldn't be over $2000 and if my maths right he only needs 250 people to cover that.

i mean if SS is going to be your top division the payout to win should be more than $250

but like you said there are other places to go and WATCH a race.:Ignor:

i hope i does work out for him though thats a good track to watch a race.





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I did not realize that the total purse was so little, I know he has worked hard to get the track to where it is today so I get a tad defensive on his part..

Carry on I'll go back to by corner...LOL

[JAMES@CLR]

That appears to be a comment on the purse , I have not seen that in writing anywhere that the purse is under $2000.

[durtyjohnny35]

If you are expecting big pay outs with small car counts on a questionable night in the weather department go join NASCAR. French is doing the best anyone can expect. He is just starting out, and like everyone else he is on a budget. Give him some support. He will return the favor with bigger pay outs, as the car, and fan counts improve.

[mike69]

If you are expecting big pay outs with small car counts on a questionable night in the weather department go join NASCAR. French is doing the best anyone can expect. He is just starting out, and like everyone else he is on a budget. Give him some support. He will return the favor with bigger pay outs, as the car, and fan counts improve.

its a two way street if he wants support he should also support the racers and fans! for the last 2 years the track was open we went to almost every race. but i won't come to watch 4 or 5 super streets race for $250.

he is gonna have to bite the bullet and increase the purse to get cars to show up. i mean if he's got money to do all those improvements he's done to the track, upping the purse a couple hundred dollars won't bankrupt the man.

James,

i have no idea what his total purse is that was just a guess, but it can't be much when your top division pays $250 to win! :blue4:

[wesleycogdell]

you are right, it is a two way street. you scratch my back ill scratch yours

[JAMES@CLR]

$250 is not alot to win for a Super Street class , but neither is 3 or 4 cars. I am sure that if the car counts pick up the purse will as well. He is supporting the racers and fans by purchasing the speedway and doing all the improvements , otherwise there would be no track to discuss. It should make no difference to a fan what the payout is , bigger payouts do not mean better racing. Drivers are understandable to want a higher payout , but they have to work with him until the counts increase. I am under the understanding , from reading some post on here , that the Crate Late Models will be running also. You can see from the effort ( time and money ) that he has put into the facility , he will do what he has to do to make it successful. It is better to start with lower purses and increase them , than start with a higher purse and have to cut them due to low car counts. French is a great person to work with , all will work out.

[durtyjohnny35]

Well said James! French was agreeable to the crates coming out, and said if you come I will let you run. Well two showed up, and he let them run. Now how much can you expect to be paid to run a "two car show"? If for nothing else he gave them the time on the track, because they showed up, and supported their local track.

[mike69]

It should make no difference to a fan what the payout is , bigger payouts do not mean better racing.


well i do know this for the most part olr used to have a pretty good field of super streets, now they don't! and i'm sure not gonna drive for an hour to watch 3 or 4 cars race in each class. so i think it does make a difference to a fan what the payout is.

like ff21 said it gonna be a car club for a few guys that want to get together and play on saturday nights.

[camlobe]

Until these tracks take care of the drivers it will never be good car counts like it used to be....I know it takes a lot of money to run a track but, you just cant take a 10000 race car and run for a couple hundred dollars anymore. Ten years ago they was paying that at 311 but you could build a top notch SS car for 3 or 4000 and run up front......how some of these guys do it is beyond me....tracks are putting themselves in this perdicament......

[JAMES@CLR]

All I keep hearing is tracks need to take care of drivers , that works both ways. Drivers are going to be the ones with no place to go , if all the tracks continue to close. Ten years ago , car counts were great at all the race tracks. You cant blame the promoters for all the problems and the expense involved in operating a race car.

[mike69]

All I keep hearing is tracks need to take care of drivers , that works both ways. Drivers are going to be the ones with no place to go , if all the tracks continue to close. Ten years ago , car counts were great at all the race tracks. You cant blame the promoters for all the problems and the expense involved in operating a race car.


no promoters are not all the problem but winning a race should at the very least cover your racing expenses for the week. I.E. fuel for tow vehicle fuel for car entry fees and a tire or 2.

these guys spend a lot of money to race and sacriafice time with family to race these cars. just to win $250 thats a joke.

[Poorboy44]

The track and the drivers do need to support each other but you cannot keep paying low purses week after week and expect these drivers to keep coming back. Once in awhile if the owner is struggling he can tell the drivers I need a little help tonight and I will try to make it up down the road somewhere most will understand. But when gas is $3 a gallon and racing fuel is $6 a gallon it cost most people$100 to $125 just to get to the race and get in. We are not in this to make money that is for sure but if you win you would at least like to make your money back. I know that the SS ist place was $115 and the pure stock was $50. You can't continue to do that every week and everyone survive. I know that his insurance every week is $1000 a night and he didn't bring in but around$675 in the pits that night is the reason for the cut in pay but there has to be some give and take here somewhere. Proven fact is if you don't have decent purses you are not going to have good car counts because the drivers are going where the best money is if they can.

[JAMES@CLR]

I will agree with you on the payout being low and it needs to be increased , but alot of blame has been put on the track for things they can not control. I understand that the weather was bad and the turnout was not very good.
If drivers speak with a promoter directly , not argumentative , things will get worked out quicker. Posting complaints in a general discussion forum are not a good way to get things resolved. It might would help if some of the drivers would help the track by speaking with potential sponsors or such. It does need to be a group effort.
I know from my dealings with French Grimes that he is a first class person. He has experience with a racing series , but he is new to promoting a race track. Work with him , not against him. It seems that he has done great things to the facility and track itself. Maybe in time the purses and car counts will increase. It takes both.

[Poorboy44]

James, I am not going to argue with you on this, I am no way dogging French, he needs to succeed with the track for alot of reasons. I have raced there for a long time and even worked there with David last year. RTR will be my home track because it is only 13 miles from my house but I would still like to race once in awhile at Fork. I don't know if you have a car or not but it sounds like you are coming from a fans view more. I have talked to French and tried to help him solve some of these problems but he kinda got off to a bad start and he's got to try and turn it around. The drivers in that area stick together pretty strong so I don't know what it's gonna take to turn it around. But with 4 classes running and low payouts is not gonna do it. The teams cannot continue to run for that. If you haven't built high dollar cars to run in the higher class then it is no way you can be able to relate to this. I hope he gets it figured out. I know it was calling for rain but we used to still have big turnouts no matter if it rained or not. This is all I have to say about it.

[RaceJunkie]

I don't know if you have a car or not but it sounds like you are coming from a fans view more.

James is the promoter for County Line Raceway :06Cool:

[JAMES@CLR]

I have owned Sportsman cars , Super Late Models , and Four Cylinders. I am very aware of the cost involved in racing. From every aspect. I have never complained about what we raced for. I run a race track now. I know every cost involved in racing.

[bigkid]

Well I'll just tell ya, I took my time and went to all 4 of French's meetings over the off season. I have 2 SS cars sitting that were going to race at Fork Mountain. Then a week before the season opens french has a SS meeting and don't put it on his site, on here, or give me a call or anything, and changes some rules. He has said if he don't make it the track won't be sold he will simply close it down. I need to spend about $1500 more to get ready, New fire suit, tires, wheels, etc. and it's hard for me to talk myself into spending anymore money when the track is paying $115 to win and it will cost me more than that to get to the race on race night. I personally gave the man a chance, I called him sevaral times with questions, but I feel he just needs to change his attitude. I mean didn't his 305 sprints get $200 for last place?

[mike69]

bigkid,
i think its like others have said at best it gonna be a car club for french and a few of his buddies to play on saturday nights.

i sure hate to see it close though, iv'e seen a lot of good racing there it would be shame to see it just go away. that stuff of him saying the track will be closed if it don't make it. sounds like a little kid saying i'll just take my marbles and go home if you guys don't wanna play with me.

[durtyjohnny35]

Seem like you guys spend an awful lot of time worrying about the other guy, and what rumor is started today. The deal in small town America that is fortunate enough to have a "local" track with grass roots racing is pretty basic. You race because you love to race! It is not going to make you rich, or even pay all your expenses, but it is what you love to do. And you should be thankful that you have a track close by that let's you do that.

[jojoracer]

the biggest mistake was in feb. saying he will close and not sell.
why would anyone want to finish a car or spend any $$ to race
if the track is threating to close before its even open???
another bad move was to drop late models that is 10-12 cars
and 3/4 of the fans .. then to spend thousands of $$ on the track
and pay top class a $500 purse 1 + 1 does not = 2 here..

[durtyjohnny35]

the biggest mistake was in feb. saying he will close and not sell.
why would anyone want to finish a car or spend any $$ to race
if the track is threating to close before its even open???
another bad move was to drop late models that is 10-12 cars
and 3/4 of the fans .. then to spend thousands of $$ on the track
and pay top class a $500 purse 1 + 1 does not = 2 here..
Well, I can't speak for French, but I know the man, and his heart is in the right place. He is a racer, and he has been one all his life. As far as the money spent on the track for much needed improvements all I can say is that was done for the racers, and the fans! That is his one, and only concern. He didn't buy Fork Mountain so he could become rich. He bought it to have a place where racers, and family can come, and enjoy an evening of racing. Give him some time, and it will turn around, but if you want to waste your time bucking heads with him, good luck. He is a man of his word, and he has made a commitment. He may have made a few mistakes, but haven't we all? Just work with him, and it will work out for all involved. It's racing season, so stop the whinning, and go racing! Oh and as far as the late models. Like many tracks lately- the late models have priced themselves out of the game! The spiraling cost of racing. Everyone likes them but few can afford a late model show. Sad...

[Ford_racing]

I really enjoy going to the track since French is running the show. He is a good person trying to give the racers a decent place to go race. As for car counts, I believe the only reason for a low car count is because he is enforcing his rules, its funny how the engine rules were basically the same as last year but since he is really teching them now everyone one wants the rules changed so they can run their stroker motors or their big bore motors they had last year with similar rules??? Same goes for the crates, even thought they are sealed engines, builders are still going into the motors and changing them and just putting the bolts back in. Seems like past years everyone has fussed about the rules not being inforced, but now since they are no one can run because they were cheating years before, I don't mean everyone just a select few. They only advice I could give French is set up days when he would be available to tech cars who wanna race or give time before a race and go back to Friday nights.:check_flag:

[mafia racing]

french might as well get the fertilizer ready because car count is probly going to about 1 car in every class.payout for first week was 70 bucks.pure stock was fifty.ucars a got 75 bucks.thats stupid to give them that much,no more than 20 bucks.he gives people this sob story about how much money he spent on the track.500,000 he should of laid back not spend it on a track that no fans or drivers want to attend because of low payout and low car count.he really needs to learn people skills to start.

[jojoracer]

I do wish French to do well.. my dad raced in the '60s the pay outs
were very simmilar to then..?? I think cars bring 5 or so people at least
that ought to be worth something.. cars are the show they need to be
there.mabey get some purse sponcers or something. And with gas over
3.00 a gal I think people are scared. I hope he can get more cars, and payout. 10 or 12 cars would be a good field up there. Mabey people
will get used to the new ideas. I hope so. I'd hate to see the new track
close.

[INDEBTRACING2]

i wish all you guys complaining about the pay out would suck it up and race.i drive two hours just to race my little u-car.if i get lucky and win i still dont cover my expense for the night.and as far as the u-car payout we cover or purse so maybe if you guys would show up to race ajnd quit complaining things will get better.

[durtyjohnny35]

i wish all you guys complaining about the pay out would suck it up and race.i drive two hours just to race my little u-car.if i get lucky and win i still dont cover my expense for the night.and as far as the u-car payout we cover or purse so maybe if you guys would show up to race ajnd quit complaining things will get better.
:icon_agreed: Some just don't get it. Guess life has always been just the way "they" want it. Some people where born racers, and some born to whine. Oh well, life goes on with or without you.

[durtyjohnny35]

Well I'll just tell ya, I took my time and went to all 4 of French's meetings over the off season. I have 2 SS cars sitting that were going to race at Fork Mountain. Then a week before the season opens french has a SS meeting and don't put it on his site, on here, or give me a call or anything, and changes some rules. He has said if he don't make it the track won't be sold he will simply close it down. I need to spend about $1500 more to get ready, New fire suit, tires, wheels, etc. and it's hard for me to talk myself into spending anymore money when the track is paying $115 to win and it will cost me more than that to get to the race on race night. I personally gave the man a chance, I called him sevaral times with questions, but I feel he just needs to change his attitude. I mean didn't his 305 sprints get $200 for last place?
Don't know where you pulled the figure of $200 for last with the 305 sprints from, but that is sure news to them! Would be nice, but not true.

[bigkid]

lilysdog51, instead of calling me a lier, you should do a little research 24th place from $125 to $250 and French himself told $200 at one of the meetings. As far as me being a real racer, well if you knew me you never would have spit that out. I'm probably more of a "real racer " than you ever thought about being. When you don't have the money to race and you still love it too much to quite, that's a real racer. Some of the people on here know me, maybe you should ask around before labeling people. And you are right life does go on, it's more tracks around. I've run at OLR since 1993 except last year, I had already went asphalt modified when the track opened. I really wanted to run Fork Mountain this year, but I can't spend $150 plus to race each week, knowing I'm going to lose money even if I win.
I mean common since needs to play a part somewhere.

And it's alot different running a $8000 SS racecar than a ucar for $75 to win.
Maybe all us SS guys just need to get ucars.

[jojoracer]

sorry about being a whiner I didn't start the whineing just
agreeing with some of it..Just tring to get the ideas across
that to get some fans and cars up there, he needs latemodels
back and the payout fair.. someone said that latemodels
priced there self, but go to a clash race or the 311 super
series the stand are packed not when there not running
wonder why that is? and 311 gate is high$$$ maybey
some people are satisified with 3 cars and low pay
and no fans. but it may get better, I hope so and I did
read some where that french say running his sprints
will put your kids thru college, $500 to win and about
half that for 24th I think it's on the web sight for
his sprint series, either way I read it. and I thought
wow someone who thinks like that is opening OLR
It'll be great. What changed in his Ideas???

[durtyjohnny35]

Never meant it that way bigkid. Not calling you a liar. I just think you may be misinformed. I would never come on here and call anyone a liar unless I knew them, and had reason to. The point I think most of us are making one way or another is we all love racing. French is starting out, and like everyone you have to learn to crawl before you can walk. Cut the man some slack, suck it up like the man said, and pitch in, and support the man, and his track. It will benefit everyone in the long run. That's what I've been trying to say. A lot more effort for the positive, and less to the negative. So no offense bigkid.

[durtyjohnny35]

sorry about being a whiner I didn't start the whineing just
agreeing with some of it..Just tring to get the ideas across
that to get some fans and cars up there, he needs latemodels
back and the payout fair.. someone said that latemodels
priced there self, but go to a clash race or the 311 super
series the stand are packed not when there not running
wonder why that is? and 311 gate is high$$$ maybey
some people are satisified with 3 cars and low pay
and no fans. but it may get better, I hope so and I did
read some where that french say running his sprints
will put your kids thru college, $500 to win and about
half that for 24th I think it's on the web sight for
his sprint series, either way I read it. and I thought
wow someone who thinks like that is opening OLR
It'll be great. What changed in his Ideas???
I believe the quote was more that you could still race, and still have money to put your kid through college. Anyway, I'm sure French appreciates any support he can get. Seeing, and hearing all that goes on trying to run a track, and trying not to loose your shirt is no easy task. Probably tougher than any sprint car race French has ever been in.

[LCRFORD]

If you want to race go race if not sit your @ss at home nobody makes money racing except for Cup guys!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!1

[bigkid]

No problem, I'm just trying to say. He has changened alot of things, and has said some things that make some of us feel he don't care if he makes it or not. And if you have a few cars one week, and the purse is low, it won't make any new cars show up. I only posted my first post on this topic explaining my personal reason for not being there. If I spend the $1500 I need to spend to get to the first race, and the track closes the next week, where does that leave me? I bought a car that only fits Fork Mountain , Eastside , and VMS rules. I was fixing a racecar with what french said at the meetings, that he didn't forsee cutting the purse. If the purse picks up, I'll be there. I'm going to watch Saturday night.

[bigkid]

No problem then, I only posted my first post stating my reasons for not being there.
LCRFORD, I never said anything about wanting to MAKE money, I wanted to keep from loosing so much each week. So you don't mind running for a low purse?

[munch140]

Can't compare purse for SS against 305 Sprints, when SS can only get 2-0r 3 to show up. Sprints at least get 18-20 car to put on a show. Thier all sealed engines, car set up and driving skills make it a race.

[RaceJunkie]

Can't compare purse for SS against 305 Sprints, when SS can only get 2-0r 3 to show up. Sprints at least get 18-20 car to put on a show. Thier all sealed engines, car set up and driving skills make it a race.

Yup got a point there.. More cars more purse, makes sense :rules:

[outdoors2i]

Hey bigkid, aren't you the spokes person for RTR? I think it's ashame to be claiming how much you want to run here but you would have to spend $1500 just to get your car ready?? I don't think FMR's rules are any different than 311 or Wythe! And yes I raced at FMR from 92-98 in SS class and loved every minute of it. And I never once asked how much was the purse. I guess that we just loved to race period!!!:01Happy:

[skinser11fan]

Can't compare purse for SS against 305 Sprints, when SS can only get 2-0r 3 to show up. Sprints at least get 18-20 car to put on a show. Thier all sealed engines, car set up and driving skills make it a race.


Well put MUNCH140! What came first the chicken or the egg? How can French put fans in the stands with only 2 or 3 cars to watch. Cars count goes up, racing is better more fans show up, more money for purse. Simple.

:no34: REAL RACERS race for the love of the sport. Local dirt track racing is like a VACATION from everyday life. VACATIONS always cost money, I know I go on VACATION 26 times a year and work 52 weeks so I can do what I love!

[camlobe]

Racers want money. Fans want cars. Track wont pay because no cars. Cars wont come because no pay. :DevilAngel: How many cars will it take to get a decend purse? What will 8 cars pay? 15? 25? I agree with you kinser but I'll tell ya aint nobody gonna run there not knowing how many other cars are gonna be there or not know if they gonna get 50 to win or 500. He needs to have a set purse at least ya know what your runnin for. Look at super lates, a track advertising 10000 to win will draw cars, or this track says well it wont be much but we'll pay out according to how many cars come in......

[mike69]

i think i have a solution,

we all know very few cars are going to turn out to race for $100 or what ever it is week to week. so why not raise the purse to $500 leave it there a few weeks and see what happens. if the turn out doesn't improve get out the grass seed and fertilizer and forget it.

i mean if he does have $500,000 invested in the place a few extra dollars for a few weeks won't hurt.

its my person opinion that french doesn't really care if it makes it or not. just by some of the things he's done. I.E. saturday nights, taking a weekend a month off {especially the week after opening night}, and all the extra money he's making these guys spend just to race.

[Unregistered]

Well put MUNCH140! What came first the chicken or the egg? How can French put fans in the stands with only 2 or 3 cars to watch. Cars count goes up, racing is better more fans show up, more money for purse. Simple.

:no34: REAL RACERS race for the love of the sport. Local dirt track racing is like a VACATION from everyday life. VACATIONS always cost money, I know I go on VACATION 26 times a year and work 52 weeks so I can do what I love!


WOW...WELL SAID!!!!

[durtyjohnny35]

Hey bigkid, aren't you the spokes person for RTR? I think it's ashame to be claiming how much you want to run here but you would have to spend $1500 just to get your car ready?? I don't think FMR's rules are any different than 311 or Wythe! And yes I raced at FMR from 92-98 in SS class and loved every minute of it. And I never once asked how much was the purse. I guess that we just loved to race period!!!:01Happy:
Well, bigkid seems to make a whole lot more sense to me now. You are spending alot of time bashing French, and FMR, because of your ties with RTR. That's pretty low. Pretty low indeed. What goes around, comes around...

[bigkid]

lilysdog,
I about tired of you bashing me on here. I went to all 4 of Frenches meetings, bought a car , and started my engine before I was ever approched about being race director of RTR. I made it clear I was racing on Saturday nights and I couldn't work on Saturday nights. I have a lot of money invested because I thought what was said at those meeting would be the deal. I raced at Oak Level Raceway for 11 years before it closed in 2005. I called French and talked to him to make certain RTR wouldn't interfear with FMR. Different nights, different SS rules, etc. I simply stated why I wasn't going to be there, because the question was ask why SS cars aren't there.
As I stated before please RESEARCH before opening your mouth! Today I also offered my other car to a fellow driver to take to Fork Mountain , unlike you I RESPECT racecar drivers . You seem to have a problem with me that needs fixing.

outdoors2i,
No I'm not spokesperson, I'm the race director. SS rules at Wythe are very different. And 311 rules are enought to keep me out, (coil overs)if that's what you are talking about. I don't understand why everyone has a problem with me not racing. I sold my dam racecar trailer so I could finish my engine. $1500 is a lot of money to me, I don't have it. And I don't want to beg sponsors for help with an unknown future. I have always thought atleast the winner should win enough money to cover what it cost him to race that night. I haven't changed my way of thinking because of a new owner. SS cars and engines cost a lot more now than 98'. Look how the engine rules have changed the last 2 years.

And the two tracks are about an hour and a half from each other, run different nights, different classes for the most part, and I haven't mentioned anything about it in my post because it has entirely nothing to do with this discussion.

[durtyjohnny35]

No, not a personal problem with you bigkid. Just found that bit of info interesting. Thanks for clarifying your position.

[Poorboy44]

What we have here is a failure to communicate!!!!!!!! The bottom line is with this bitch session going on here is some want to race for nothing and some wants to at least break somewhere even if you at least win. French is a good man there is no doubt about that with the discussions I've had with him. He is searching for answers but he is not getting them. What we have here is no cars no fans, no cars no payouts, no payouts no money coming in. Somewhere along the line something else needs to be tried, this is not working for sure. Most racers will try to work with the owner but in turn the owner has got to promise something too. The racers has given 2 weeks of low purses and now it is French's turn. I don't know what the answer is here but if it doesn't turn around soon it just might not. Maybe what we need to do is throw away all the classes and rules and just make one class and pull a bunch of clunkers out of the junkyard and run them stock, maybe have about 50 cars there and draw numbers for which car you drive that week. That way no expense for anybody. LOL. Reckon anybody would come to that. If you on here don't have a car or spending the kind of money it takes to do this these days then you don't have a dog in this fight. Everyone has an investment here. Owner= the track--- Racers= cars. When anyone starts any kind of business is he gonna hire people to work for him and tell them if I sell something this week I will pay you your wages. How many would work like that. There just needs to be some comminication somewhere and let everyone know what the plans are. Not comparing the owners but Mike and David payed the purses advertised and if they would have had different attitudes they would probably have made it. Mike was hard to talk to sometimes and that ran some away and David was just a plain crook and the track conditions hut too. The drivers will try to work together with the owner because everybody need each other to make this work but it does start with the owners and promoters so there is alot work to be done here. Not bitching here just an opinion like everybody else. I will race until the money runs out but I'm not gonna lose everything I've got doing it. I'm hoping for the best for everyone.

[durtyjohnny35]

Okay guys, this has turned into The Fork Mountain Rock Fight. I for one am sorry the discussion on payout, and the whole money thing has reached this level. The bottom line for me is... We lose another track, and another piece of American short track racing dies with it. Bad enough we are losing our jobs, and way of life to a bunch of foriegners. We obviously have no voice in that. But we have a voice in this (obviously) Good to see that passions run high. Not good to see another track die.:Blue:

[Badboyz21]

we are all foriegners.

[outdoors2i]

Hey Bigkid, I can't remember you ever running anything but a minisprint at the Fork. Maybe you should come down this weekend because the mini's are running too. You know track support. I know we'll have our late model there again this weekend. Put up or shut up.:icon_gun:

[bigkid]

ran ss for 3 years car 24 ...don't have a mini-sprint
And what is wrong by running nothing "BUT" a mini-sprint?

[dirtslider]

oh, that car sucked :)

bring something this weekend & give it a shot..

[bigkid]

dirtslider,
Don't really care if you liked it or not, didn't build any of the three cars for your approval. Don't have anything ready, and yall don't make a driver feel very welcome. Sure is different atmosphere than OLR.

[fireball]

Yeah bigkid alot different at least the drivers don't get a worthless check and they have a perfect surface to race on. You were there sat. nite you tell me awsn't the track and racing speeds alot better and faster than the past? Who really cares what the payout is anyway? The bigger the payout the more you gonna spend on a car that is already running good, so just come out and race and let everyone enjoy themselves for one night a week anyway.

[Poorboy44]

Perfect surface? Maybe I was at the wrong race track you could have planted an acre of corn and all you would have needed to do would be rake the dirt on it. I know he is trying his best but he needs to let people help him it looked to me like he's trying to do it all himself. I hate to see the track going down the toilet like it is. I cut my teeth on that track and it's sad to what it's become. I spent my $20 bucks saturday night and don't care to sit thru another VSS race and watch them ride around. I truly wish he can turn things around but I don't see it happening, for sure with running 1 out of every three weeks. Still would like to race every now and then but I don't know, alot of things going to have to change.

[tim wadd]

lilysdog,
I about tired of you bashing me on here. I went to all 4 of Frenches meetings, bought a car , and started my engine before I was ever approched about being race director of RTR. I made it clear I was racing on Saturday nights and I couldn't work on Saturday nights. I have a lot of money invested because I thought what was said at those meeting would be the deal. I raced at Oak Level Raceway for 11 years before it closed in 2005. I called French and talked to him to make certain RTR wouldn't interfear with FMR. Different nights, different SS rules, etc. I simply stated why I wasn't going to be there, because the question was ask why SS cars aren't there.
As I stated before please RESEARCH before opening your mouth! Today I also offered my other car to a fellow driver to take to Fork Mountain , unlike you I RESPECT racecar drivers . You seem to have a problem with me that needs fixing.

outdoors2i,
No I'm not spokesperson, I'm the race director. SS rules at Wythe are very different. And 311 rules are enought to keep me out, (coil overs)if that's what you are talking about. I don't understand why everyone has a problem with me not racing. I sold my dam racecar trailer so I could finish my engine. $1500 is a lot of money to me, I don't have it. And I don't want to beg sponsors for help with an unknown future. I have always thought atleast the winner should win enough money to cover what it cost him to race that night. I haven't changed my way of thinking because of a new owner. SS cars and engines cost a lot more now than 98'. Look how the engine rules have changed the last 2 years.

And the two tracks are about an hour and a half from each other, run different nights, different classes for the most part, and I haven't mentioned anything about it in my post because it has entirely nothing to do with this discussion.But big kid all they were trying to say is if Fork Mtn. shuts down you could possibly get a few more cars at RTR!!! I don't know you as well as you don't know me but when an official from another track comes on and bashes another track or promoter it's just not good business. Because you may end up hurting a track by your remarks before it ever opens. Just what I see Best of luck at RTR!!!!!:icon_drinking:

[Poorboy44]

Tim Wadd you are accusing BigKid of bashing another track I think you should read his statements a little more closely. He has a car he has been trying to get ready for FMR and he has just as much right to his opinions and explain his side of it as the reast of you. You say he's bashing what about the comment French made saturday night on the loudspeakers to the mini sprint guys that the only ROLLING THUNDER he has heard has been at FMR so far. Correct me if I'm wrong but I'd like to know the reasons for that comment. That is part of the reason the mini sprints said they were not coming back. If I didn't hear that right somebody correct me.

[bigkid]

Tim, the only things I've said is the reasons I'm personally unable to race at FMR. I know what the man told me on the phone, and at the meetings, and I hope the track does good. I've had the same talks about purse with the owners of the track I'm going to be working at. I'm not trying to bash nobody , that's why I shut up on the subject. I got a PM about who a couple of them were that were trying to twist my words around, and they don't even drive cars or have racecars so they can't possibly know what it cost one guy living alone and paying all the bills, on less than $20,000 a year.

[bigkid]

And Tim the only reason I'm even responding to your remark is because most of the time you have knowledgeable remarks on here, so I respect you as a fellow board user.