Thanks For 3 Late Model Divisions

[jimbo43]

I am so happy to see that Rolling Thunder didnt wimp out like fork mountain raceway did you all have super late models steel heads and crates that what ppl wanna see

[RaceJunkie]

I don't think saying Fork Mountain wimped out is fair, to the track. Just because French is doing what HE thinks is right for him does not make the track a wimp.. We all see what the previous owners did, now it's French's turn, at least give the man a year (One Season) before you start to label them..

JMO!!

[Bryant41]

i couldnt agree with you more Racejunkie. french is doin what is in his best interest to get the track up and running. in my opinion the previous owners went broke cause they were payin late model guys too much money and only have a hand full cars show up. you cant pay 1500 to win and only have 3 cars show up. pockets will dry up sooner or later like that. french said that late model guys would not come there and race if they didnt get so much money. as a driver the more money i win the more i like it but you have to look at it from his point of view also. let the man get the track going good and then maybe he can afford to run late models.

[drtlmfan]

I am so happy to see that Rolling Thunder didnt wimp out like fork mountain raceway did you all have super late models steel heads and crates that what ppl wanna see
When did they decide to run Supers? I thought it was steel heads and crates.

[tha HOGG 19]

here`s the deal......
supers and steelheads and limited late models all run together.......with weight breaks accordingly
supers-2450
steelheads2300
LLM-2150................150 lb weight difference

hope this helps

[jimbo43]

Please dont get offended Fork Mt fans but a night without late models sounds dull because I grew up watching the big loud fast ground pounding late models everyweek either at 311 Log Cabin Ace when it was dirt and at Oak Level too. The biggest mistake French made and I know he has good rasons but running on saturday night against all these other established dirt and asphalt tracks Im afraid is gonna end up hurting him in crowds and car count

Because 311 even under that jackass Bobby Johns has opened to large crowds and good car counts By the time Fork Mt opens the guys who used to run on Friday nights from 311 cant because they will be running for pts then

[bigkid]

Thanks Hogg.......................

[tha HOGG 19]

not a prob wayne........

[jojoracer]

Nothing wrong with running what you want it is his track. He could
make u-cars top class pay fifty $ to win and have 200 cars , but what
I think French failed to take into condisideration is OLR ran on fri.
just by switching to sat he'll or would have 12 or more LMs he could
pay $300 to win $275 for 2 and $250 for 3 and so on, and if only 3
cars show up he's not out any. heck nothing wrong with SS its
great racing, great cars, really good drivers. but there not as loud
not as fast, not as flashy. and its not about cars I'd rather see a
good race between 3 or 4 cars than a so so race between 12 cars.
I'm wrong on alot of things... but not my opinion. good luck to Him..

[bigkid]

French went by LM turn out at his meetings and car count last year , he said . And the pay-out, he said the numbers simply didn't add up.



Rolling Thunder on the other hand, had 18 cars represented at the meeting, lots of interest, and the drivers were willing to work with us on the purse. Makes things so much easier when racers and tracks can work together.

[RaceJunkie]

I'm not upset or mad. I think that everyone has their own opinion and is entitled to express it at will. I was just simply stating that you can't make judgements on something that has not event begun yet.

I'm sure French knew what night the Oak was running, maybe Fri night was not good for him, I think he lives a good distance away from the track, (Not 100% sure) but I think so. Take allot to get a track ready to run on Fri if it's a bit far to travel.

You are correct bigkid, Everytime I have talked to him about LM'S he has told me exactly that, just not enough participation to consider it.

I will be the first to admit I ain't going to the track if their ain't no Late Models, I know everyone is different and that's fine, I stay until the end and watch all the races but you got to have some Lm's to get me there..:blue18:

[DarthSirus]

Fork Mountain is my home track and would love to race there this year. As of now I am not running there any until he change sealed head rule. This was not bad idea at first but when i thought about it we have to remove all head bolts and rocker so he could pump motor to check the cc's on it. Then put rockers back on and retighten head stud bolts to be sealed. Suppose I have a leak from head gasket from doing all that would frenhie replace my gasket that he possibly ruin?? This is for all classes this one really not gonna help car count for sure. I had high hopes running up there so wait and see we have 3 cars so we plan on racing every Friday at Rolling Thunder and Saturday at 311 speedway or Fork Mountain if remove sealed head rule there and race every Sturday too.

[jimbo43]

I have to give French credit for his openess and honesty he comes on cable 18 monday nights talks racing from the dirt tracks to daytona I talked to him for a few minutes super nice guy. He told one caller who asked about the late models that he might have some special late model shows if he can get the cars and it wont put them in financial trouble which I agree with him just starting off at Fork Mt

[DOCCALLAHAN]

Well I Considered The Track As My Home Track Even Though Im From Greensboro And I Think French Will Do Good He Has The Right Attitude For Running The Track Like Gary And Alesia From Rolling Thunder These Other Tracks Better Take Note Cause If Racers Get Better Treatment From Good Tracks They Will Go There No Matter What The Purse Is.most Racers Are Getting Tired Of Getting The Shaft From Tracks Changing Rules Mid Stream Of The Season And Getting Raw Deals I Will Support French Cause I Like Racing At His Track. I Know I Run Late Model But If He Tries To Run Us I Will Go You Got To Give The Man A Chance To See His Crowd And The Interest It Will Get From Racers And Fans I Can Understand Why He Went To Sat Nites He Said That In A Meeting Up There Hard To Get His Help Up There On Fridays From People Working Im Just Saying Lets Give Him A Chance Before We Condemn The Man Or Track.remember Earl Bates From Eldora Was Called Crazy In 1970 When He Started The World 100 For 3000 To Win That Was Unheard Of In Those Days But Look At The Race Now

[DOCCALLAHAN]

I Will Also Support Gary And Alesia At Rolling Thunder Because They Are At Least Trying To Make A Better Track To Race At I Like Their Attitude And Will Be There As Much As I Can To Support Them

[bigkid]

I thought you'd better add that last part "Doc"....LOL....

[fireball]

It really would be nice if the two tracks (Fork Mt and RTR) could work together to get the car counts up and have the late models run Friday and Saturday. If the tracks work together they could really have a couple of great shows every week. Just something to think about, especially since they are closer together than Wythe or 311..

[Poorboy44]

The bottom line is the late models do not want to run at FMR because of being burnt so much in the past and they are going to run for $100 a car. You had might as well give up that idea.

[bigkid]

We aren't working against anybody, Fred Brown called and ask if he could do anything to help. We will be working with Wythe Raceway anytime we need too, Fred is the kind of track owner that others need to model themselves by.

[tim wadd]

We aren't working against anybody, Fred Brown called and ask if he could do anything to help. We will be working with Wythe Raceway anytime we need too, Fred is the kind of track owner that others need to model themselves by.
Big Kid FINALLY we agree on something, miracles do happen LOL!! I know how hard Fred works for Wythe and he is a great person, I hope RTR can be as successful as Wythe is!!! By the way let's help French be as successful??? What cha say???:icon_beerchug:

[tim wadd]

here`s the deal......
supers and steelheads and limited late models all run together.......with weight breaks accordingly
supers-2450
steelheads2300
LLM-2150................150 lb weight difference

hope this helps
Hey I hope this works here but if it does it will be a first, I feel all you'll se is a lot of junk equipment after a while. We all know these super drivers are gonna contend for the win ever week and most have good budgets, Then you put some of the guys out there with the lower budgets than can't buy horsepower and what ya gonna have??? A lot of tore up race cars!! I'm not trying to be negative or being critical I'm just saying what Ive seen before, hell who knows that may be the way all tracks will do but my opinion is that the weight break may have to be major for some limiteds to even remotely have a chance. But also Ive seen Terry Cardwell out run
some good super lates with a steel head!!!!

[jhofficial]

Just reading this thread and everybody is thinking one track, while bashing another(FMR/french grimes). Let me see if I have the facts stright? One track is up and running and making an effort to race and they get bashed! The other track isnt open and has one excuse after another why they are not open, yet they get thanked for something when they havent even opened the gates and no one really knows when they will. Is this true? Am I reading something wrong? Please feel free to enlighten me, but it wont be easy, cause it makes no sense to me. Lets bash the one trying and thank the one with a dream! HMM:cool:

[tim wadd]

Big Kid FINALLY we agree on something, miracles do happen LOL!! I know how hard Fred works for Wythe and he is a great person, I hope RTR can be as successful as Wythe is!!! By the way let's help French be as successful??? What cha say???:icon_beerchug:

Just reading this thread and everybody is thinking one track, while bashing another(FMR/french grimes). Let me see if I have the facts stright? One track is up and running and making an effort to race and they get bashed! The other track isnt open and has one excuse after another why they are not open, yet they get thanked for something when they havent even opened the gates and no one really knows when they will. Is this true? Am I reading something wrong? Please feel free to enlighten me, but it wont be easy, cause it makes no sense to me. Lets bash the one trying and thank the one with a dream! HMM:cool:
JH not everyones Bashing now does that ease ya just a little????:thanx: See even I can be nice sometime LMAO!!!

[jhofficial]

JH not everyones Bashing now does that ease ya just a little????:thanx: See even I can be nice sometime LMAO!!!

The :DevilAngel: know who they are:06Cool:

[tim wadd]

The :DevilAngel: know who they are:06Cool:
JH you and I both know that the bashers will be found out and they'll blow like the wind and before you know it they will be gone!!! :lame:

[bigkid]

Hey Tim,

These LM rules were discussed at the meetings. The drivers and teams wanted to try the weight break deal because a few guys have cars that want to run and aren't Steel Head Cars. The track does reserve the right to add another #50 lbs. if a super loks like it's dominating. I don't think that will be the case on a small 3/8 mile track. But that's how we got to three weights in LM.

[Poorboy44]

JH on the making one excuse after another, how many people do you know that can get a track built from scratch and up and running and have everything go perfect and smooth and not run into any problems like weather , power companies etc. The man is busting his a$$ to get this thing done and it is close. He couldn't start until Jan. because of permits so He has done a good job to get this far along in a short amount of time.

[RaceJunkie]

You know I'm about sick of the FMR and RTR comparison marathon.. Each track is doing what they think is the best for them and nothing more.. It's two different tracks in two different locations.. PICK ONE go there and be merry. Hell be thankful there are two.. No matter where you go you will find something that you don't agree with. Everyone is not going to be 100% satisfied with no track. Can we all move on like grown men and women?:Zippit:



:CAI30RID:

[jhofficial]

JH on the making one excuse after another, how many people do you know that can get a track built from scratch and up and running and have everything go perfect and smooth and not run into any problems like weather , power companies etc. The man is busting his a$$ to get this thing done and it is close. He couldn't start until Jan. because of permits so He has done a good job to get this far along in a short amount of time.

Its not so much as Iam bashing rolling thunder, but that it seems to me that some of the staff and other supporters have no problem in bashing french. Now I don't know anyone personally at Rolling Thunder nor do I know French Grimes. But it seems to me if you were gonna bash a track, you shouldnt use as an expample or be on staff at a track that isnt even open yet, but continue to bash a track that is up an running. Everyone goes into the race track bussiness with great hopes an ideas, but have you ever thought of the backlash some are setting themselves up for when the gates finally do open an no one shows up? Just a few things to think about!

[bigkid]

Hey Tim,

I was just trying to explain to you how and why we did the LM class like we did. (It is different) I fully understood what you were saying and I had no problem with it. I wasn't trying to compare nothin to nothin.....

[bigkid]

JH,

Poorboy44 isn't on the staff at any racetrack this year that I know of. He did work at OLR last year. I think he is just stating his opinion. Some of yall just seem to be wanting to cause trouble when there shouldn't be any.

[jhofficial]

JH,

Poorboy44 isn't on the staff at any racetrack this year that I know of. He did work at OLR last year. I think he is just stating his opinion. Some of yall just seem to be wanting to cause trouble when there shouldn't be any.

I really wasnt refferring to him. Are YOU not on the staff?

[bigkid]

Nope, not till opening night..Where's all this bashing I've been doing, that has to do with French or his track ?

[fireball]

And as far as removing all head bolts, that isn't true, you remove the valve covers and one(1) head bolt and one (1) rocker arm, that's it really simple. Takes about 20 minutes to seal an engine and pump it, and it will make for better racin, but it does keep the cheaters away, and it really must have been alot in the super street division, cause Frenchs phone hasn't been ringing much from those guys. Guess all those trophies they took home in the past ain't worth much now, huh?

[tim wadd]

Hey Tim,

These LM rules were discussed at the meetings. The drivers and teams wanted to try the weight break deal because a few guys have cars that want to run and aren't Steel Head Cars. The track does reserve the right to add another #50 lbs. if a super loks like it's dominating. I don't think that will be the case on a small 3/8 mile track. But that's how we got to three weights in LM.
Hey Big kid I hope it works as wellas you think!!!! It's good that you have an option of adding or taking weight away, you may even have to look at tires who knows. And all I was saying is Ive seen it done before and it didn't work but it wasn't at a 3/8 mile track either!!! Good luck and I hope to see you at fmr on the 16th.

[Alesia]

Hi, everyone! I really hate what me and Gary have been reading on our forum and Fork Mountains. First let me say that we do support French Grimes and his track! Me and Gary even took in his first race. We absolutely wish him nothing but the best. We all need to support each other. We are building our track because our heart is in it and we seen a need for a new track after talking to alot of racers. We enlisted the help of Wayne Spangler and from day one he informed us he planned on running his car at Fork Mountain, we see no problem with this. I'm sorry there are a few people who feel like we are using excuse after excuse for not opening. We have had alot of hold ups beyond our control but it does take time to build a track from the ground. My husband had a heart attack 3 weeks ago so yes this was a setback but we continue to try to build everyone who wants to run here a nice track! But alot of you have met me and Gary and come by frequently so I don't really feel the need to explain ourselves, you know the kind of people we are. So let's all from here on out support each other and lay off the bad manners! We look forward to seeing all of you as soon as we can, P.S. anyone who knows Wayne also knows he;s a great guy! So let's keep these forums Dwayne has provided us with for the important informative track stuff if not he may have to add a piss and moan section! Thank you all and God Bless, Gary and Alesia Nester

[BandHRacing]

Hate to hear that about Gary and hope that everything is going well with him. Hope you get better soon. B and H Racing #7

[bigkid]

Thanks Alesia, sorry you all got brought into this mess. I was doing pretty good till they started teaming up on me....LOL....

But seriously I haven't mentioned the deal with Gary because it wasn't my place and he is doing pretty good. The biggest problem is getting Gary to slow down a little. He is trying as hard as he can to get the track open as soon as possible. He was helping set light poles and hang lights Saturday.
And knowing him , I'd say he has his water truck finished by now. One of the major setbacks was loosing about $3000 worth of hydoseeding due to getting 2" of rain in a hour two days after getting the seeding done. But things are happening, most of the lights are set, and then the fencing will be done. Just got to get the dang power company on the stick.

[BIG WHEEL]

I'd like to send my prayers to Gary and for a full recovery. i for one am proud of Rolling Thunder Raceway and if it takes till next season to open-then so be it. Gary's health is way more important than making a race track. Alesia and Gary can take ALL THE TIME THEY NEED! i'm still supporting them.
i am just a UCAR driver from salem va. but i am willing to make the trip everyweek to be part of "the family". i was/still am a big fan of OLR/FMR.
just haven't had the oppritunity to make FMR as a spectator this year. i maybe talking-out-my-aXX but i may just plan to run RTR fridays and FMR on saturdays. dirt racing is in my nature and all this bashing of BIGKID and FIREBALL is tish-tosh BS. both tracks are great and some drivers are growing on FMR ideas. let's all focus on good dirt racing and a little less bashing. OR even have a series of invitational races between RTR-FMR-311-CLARY'S-FAYETTEVILLE-ANTIOCH-NATURAL BRIDGE-VA MOTOR SPEEDWAY-and any other dirt track around. include asphalt boys too!

[DOCCALLAHAN]

FIRST OF ALL GARY I HOPE YOU RECOVER FULLY QUICKLY AND TRY TO SLOW DOWN A LITTLE .I think that alot of people just like to bash other tracks just to be bashing i think french has some great ideas people were fussing about illegal cars last year now nobody wants to seal there motor from french to make sure they are legal I THINK THAT IS A GOOD IDEA JUST NEED TO GIVE CERTIAN TIMES TO CK OUT CARS FROM OTHER TRACKS TO LET OUTSIDE COMPETITION COME RACE i would love to run fmr again and was at 3 meetings for french and have been to rolling thunder also i might not be the fastest at these tracks but I LOVE RUNNING THATS WHAT IT IS ALL ABOUT the track that needs bashing is 311 cause ***** johns is just trying to run it in the ground before he sells it give both these tracks time and they could take all of 311 cars if they worked it right hate to say it but they could get together and run classes that have bonuses to win both nights like ace and 311 did years ago seems like noone wants to work together anymore cept for the racers and some of them dont want to im a low budget team and will race anywhere i want to i like traveling and used to call the oak now FMR my home track even tho im from greensboro and took me over hour to get there on friday nites you have a good idea big wheel throw an invitational race on and just see what happens wouldt hurt just to see who shows up also i raced with the supers at oak and wayne cnty and also johnny stovall won the track champ at clarys running small motor against the big ones and put on some of the best racing around I just think that we alll need to support our local tracks to keep al our local talent here instead of making them go 2-3 hours drive to get to a good track that they feel they are getting treated better at but could get that same here if owners would just try i know french has good ideas and im glad to see someone stand up and keep by his set of rules i know he will run late models soon as he knows they will support him gary and alesia are doing what they need to do working hard as h*** to get drivers another traCK to run and should be supported no need to bash anyone there yet just my opinion